Talk:Kathleen Ferrier/Archive 1

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I have to say that I have had reservations about Kathleen Ferrier - both her style of singing, which seems old fashioned now, and at times her pitching etc. Yet when all is said and done, there are very few other singers who have ever made recordings of her repertoire who have approached her level - Janet Baker is one, and there are a few others from other countries. I listened to the Kathleen Ferrier evening (8th October, 2003) on the BBC (Radio 3), and most people seemed to find that there was ultimately something magical about her, and her performances. Perhaps she was merely an icon for her time, though the programme gave glimpses of her singing music by Britten which suggested that she really was a serious artist - with not just a voice discovered by accident, but really someone who could actually control her voice, and know very well what she was singing. It is possible that the view of her as a sort of untrained folk singer who stumbled into singing the classical repertoire is in fact totally false, and she must have done something right, for in the space of not much more than a decade she recorded with a very large number of major conductors and orchestras - Klemperer, Walter, Furtwangler, Krauss, van Beinum, Enescu, Boult, Barbirolli, Karajan etc. She got on better with Walter and Barbirolli, but it is unlikely that she would have made such a strong impression if no-one other than these two wanted to play for/with her.

At the end of the evening, there was a recorded performance of Das Lied von der Erde with the Hallé and Barbirolli - which it turns out was recorded quite by accident by someone experimenting with his tape recorder. There are some bits missed out, and there is some interference, since it was a radio broadcast - basically the recording is pretty bad - but the overall effect was still very good. However, the final knockout for me was quite unexpected. Following the Mahler, there was a recording of Blow the wind southerly - which in context just blew me away. Most musicians seem to believe she was a great artist - and I see no reason following this broadcast to think otherwise. David Martland 18:44, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Although there is apparently no complete recording of Elgar's Dream of Gerontius, there was reportedly a recording of part of Ferrier's performance of the Angel with piano accompaniment. It is now thought to be buried in the BBC archives, or lost. David Martland 23:14, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Just a minor detail — did K.F. really sing Orpheus in Gluck's Orfeo ed Euridice? Is that really a contralto-part? — 194.230.170.217 00:59, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

In some versions it is, see Orfeo_ed_Euridice#Revised_versions. AFCR (talk) 17:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Marriage

We say her marriage was "annulled". Is this right? Annulment is a somewhat rare event. It is much more likely to have been a simple divorce. JackofOz 13:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

This tells us that Bert Wilson and KF divorced. Bert later re-married, and had children. For that to happen without bigamy occurring, he and Kathleen must have been divorced; whether or not the marriage was annulled in the eyes of whatever church they married in, is not pertinent. -- JackofOz (talk) 02:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:KathleenFerrier.jpeg

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Centenary

I have begun a project to expand the article, with the eventual objective of putting it through the Featured Article process and nominating it for the main page on 22 April 2012, the centenary of Ferrier's birth. So the article will be in a state of flux for the next couple of weeks or so. Among many other things I will deal with the long-outstanding fair use rationale, per above. As a separate project I am preparing a discography, which will be separate from the main article. It may take me a bit longer to complete this. Ideas and suggestions are of course welcome, though to avoid editorial confusion it would be helpful if they are initially raised on this talkpage rather than simply being added to the article. When my draft is complete it will be assessed at peer review. Brianboulton (talk) 22:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Road name

There is a Kathleen Farrier Road near Basildon in Essex. Did she have any connections with this area?AT Kunene (talk) 09:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I assume you mean Ferrier not Farrier. She sang at concerts all over the country, so I'd be surprised if she didn't visit the area around what is now Basildon. I don't have details, but perhaps the local authority would know. Brianboulton (talk) 22:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Scan screen on FerrieratEdinburgh.jpg

This jpeg, FerrieratEdinburgh.jpg, was evidently scanned from a book, hence the visible screen. Maybe there is a better source somewhere? --Kleinzach 00:25, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

It's been tidied. Brianboulton (talk) 22:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Welsh or English?

Just curious on the decision (not trying to get the Ethnix fighting with each other). Pembrookshire (of coast fame) resonates Wales to me as a stupid American. But I guess her family was English? TCO (talk) 19:07, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Pembrokeshire is indeed in Wales. It's not unusual for us English people to have at least one Welsh (or Scottish, or Irish) ancestor (or maybe more than one). Basically, if you're born and brought up in England, you're English. Brianboulton (talk) 23:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for this wonderful article, and to everyone who worked so hard on it. It has been a joy to read such a detailed and scholarly account of Kathleen Ferrier. 86.134.116.159 (talk) 09:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Blow the Wind Southerly

It was surprising to see no mention of this song in the body of the article as it was especially associated with her, being played many times on the radio. I have added a paragraph to the recordings section and a corresponding sentence to the lead. The citations may require some tweaking as I have used the style with which I am most familiar and don't want to disturb the others. Warden (talk) 10:08, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

A very nice and appropriate addition to the article. Thanks. I don't see nay need to disturb the citations. Brianboulton (talk) 19:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Better lead image

Would this be a better lead image? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, but not really. For one thing, she's facing the wrong direction. Brianboulton (talk) 16:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

A better one has, however, been found and posted. Brianboulton (talk) 12:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

(which has of course led to the deletion of the previous lead-image as orphan)
The suggested image would make a good illustration of the the opening of the section "Failing health" which mentions her visit to the Holland Festival, where the image was taken. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:10, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

How is that image free of copyright in the US? Nothing should be done anyway in advance of the TFA tomorrow - assuming that takes place. The TFA mandarins are playing this close to their chests for some reason. Maybe there is a challenger? Brianboulton (talk) 10:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

"free of copyright": I just take Wikimedia Commons' word for it; according to Commons:Commons:Open Beelden, it is.
"TFA tomorrow": 'course not; I'm raising it here for consideration in case it got overlooked. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's not enough to simply take Wikimedia Commons' word; people post stuff there without proper knowledge, so Commons is full of images with dodgy licences. The fact that the image may be free in Holland does not automatically mean it is free in the US, which is all that matters. I have restored the Cecil Beaton portrait until the US copyright status of the Dutch image is clearly established. Brianboulton (talk) 00:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Context might imply that it was me placing the image into the article; it wasn't.
TFA: looking at that day's edit history, "be careful what you wish for" springs to mind. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Is Aafje Heynis her reincarnation?

I came across Aafje Heynis for the very first time today. See my remarks @ Talk:Aafje Heynis. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 00:01, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

ad " "there is absolutely no justification for the idea that she was a lesbian, but she may have been sexually frigid"

Why lesbian or frigid? Maybe she was quite simply asexual.89.144.228.206 (talk) 17:28, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

We cite reliable sources; we do not speculate. Do you have a source to support your hypothesis? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:12, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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