Talk:Karl Jenkins

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Neutral point of view[edit]

If "commentary" style is to be removed from this article, would it also then be appropriate to remove "groundbreaking" from the reference to Nucleus, and "innovative" from the reference to Adiemus? In my view, the tone of this article is slightly hagiographic, and I was both trying to balance this with an acknowledgement that Jenkins work has often polarized opinion, which I think is worth noting this in the article, as well as include some of the documented negative associations his period of sole leadership had on the notable band Soft Machine, to balance the list of prizes and awards recorded above. 88.108.57.66 (talk) 09:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've reinserted some material, with a changed tone, which is all referenced to published quotations. This is not a personal attack on Dr Jenkins, who I've never even heard speak, but I do think that there is place for at least a statement of the acknowedged controversy about the effect Dr Jenkins composing style and period of leadership had on Soft Machine in an encyclopedic work. Happy to discuss this. I've also queried the two adjectives above. (88.108.57.66 (talk) 10:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

The two adjectives have been removed (innovative is a WP:PEACOCK term). The article needs neutral point of view, and the section describing Jenkins' role in Soft Machine still seems to be rather critical. I'm not an expert on Karl Jenkins, but would appreciate any comments from other users about the article and whether it is fair and balanced.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your consideration of this. Soft Machine fans may well have numerous, varied views on this issue. (88.108.57.66 (talk) 14:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

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What is the 'Red F' award?[edit]

Karl Jenkins has a remarkable biography, studded with brilliant awards, recognition, and a BCE. But what is this 'Red F' award from ClassicFM? After considerable trying, I cannot find any reference to such an award with Google, apart from Jenkins own website biography and a great many bios that quote word-for-word from that website. No one else within Google's scope has mentioned any such an award, nor is there a list of its awardees on the ClassicFM.com website. As far as I can tell, it simply does not exist, or is so inconsequential that even ClassicFM does not see fit to mention it. Perhaps this reference to a 'Red F' award in Jenkins' own bio is some kind of personal joke? I am baffled, and I would like to hear some other opinions. If no one knows of it, then this award is clearly so non-notable that it should be removed immediately from Wikipedia's bio of Jenkins. —Aetheling (talk) 20:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I have deleted mention of this award. If anyone has some independent documentation that this is a real thing, then I will happily restore the edit. — Aetheling (talk) 22:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Most performed?[edit]

The claim "most performed living composer", from a 2016 survey, needs a better source, vs. this, which is more recent and looks more reliable to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quite agree. Thanks for finding that. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:01, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The claim was fair enough, but the reported survey was not identified, so I have removed it from the article. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:23, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Best-known works[edit]

Is the series of Adiemus albums not among them, even though the same-titled track is (as listed in the lead)? —67.14.236.193 (talk) 23:47, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve added them alongside the song. If anyone knows better, please correct it. —67.14.236.193 (talk) 20:55, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Spin off discography into separate article[edit]

Recent additions have made the discography section uncomfortably large. We should either delete the recent unsourced additions or move the list to a new article named Karl Jenkins discography. We could leave a few of the most notable recordings in the main article. George Harrison discography might be a useful model. Verbcatcher (talk) 16:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No objections for 3 months, so I suggest thay you go ahead, Verbcatcher. EddieHugh (talk) 17:22, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unverified content in this article[edit]

I am concerned that some of the content in this article is either unsourced (e.g. honorary doctorate, University of Leicester) or is sourced by Jenkins' own website (or copies thereof, such as his music publisher's site). I have just managed to find a source for the honorary degree (the University's own site), so I will add that now.

Here's some text from the article: "Jenkins has created advertising music, twice winning the industry prize in that field". Which industry prize? This is too vague and the claim is unsourced.

After much Googling, I have managed to find one independent source for the "D.Mus. from University of Wales" claim - it is in fact, an honorary degree, awarded in 2006. I have amended the text accordingly.

Now it is not unusual for people to paint the best picture of themselves on their own websites, but Wikipedia needs to be a little more critical than that. We need to find independent sources - for example, I cannot find an independent source that says he studied at the Royal College of Music. I cannot find any evidence that the Montreux Jazz Festival awarded *any* prizes in 1970. After all, it is a festival, rather than a competition. It may well have awarded a "first prize" to Nucleus, but I cannot find any independent confirmation of this.

Marchino61 (talk) 07:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Attending the coronation of King Charles III[edit]

Jenkins attended the coronation of King Charles III and it led to this amusing bit of confusion on the Internet.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/man-in-a-disguise

Mtminchi08 (talk) 13:24, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is on BBC News here but I still think this is WP:NOTNEWS.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]