Talk:Karl Ernst

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Stadelheim or Berlin?[edit]

At the top he died in Stadelheim Prison(Munich). At the bottom he was shot in Berlin.

Slightly unclear[edit]

The end says that Ernst died shouting "Heil Hitler" because he believed he "faced a putsch from the political Right", rather than from Hitler as was actually the case. Since the Nazis are usually considered on the political Right themselves, this is somewhat unclear... presumably some specific non-Nazi part of the Right is meant, like conservative elements of the Army who were known to dislike the SA? --Delirium 23:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

National Sozialismus or Nazis were from the "political left". They were anti-religion, anti-capitalism, anti-liberty, pro-censorship, pro-speech code and quintessentially leftist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.217.52.8 (talk) 23:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In American parlance, Nazis and fascists are considered the "far right". In continental Europe (at least, prior to 1945), the terms "far right," "reactionary", and often also "conservative" and "Right" referred primarily to monarchists, since they are the most 'traditional'. The Nazis, according to their own rhetoric at the time and according to the other parties in Germany at the time, were somewhere to the right of center, but not the far right. The top army leaders such as Hindenburg were almost all monarchists.

Personally, I find the American usage more logical, but the German usage is used in German sources. (And also in American sources written shortly after the Nazi regime -- for example, William Shirer's book uses "conservative" and "Right" for the monarchists.) If you want to make things more complicated, the Nazi party itself had two factions; the faction led by Gregor Strasser considered itself "left", and proclaimed that capitalists and monarchists were worse than the Bolsheviks; they were literally "national socialists" in the sense that they combined left-wing socialism with ultra-nationalism and racism. A lot of the S.A. members had this attitude as well. One reason that Hitler purged this group in June 1934 was to reassure his allies in big business and the army that the Nazis were really not that different than the rest of the Right. (Of course, within a few years they learned otherwise.) — Lawrence King ^(talk) 06:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Nazis were financed by the German industry and banks, therefore they were used to keep the current system in place and guarantee that it doesn't fall into the hands of the socialists and communists who became ever stronger in the crisis. Ludendorff, a close ally of Hitler right from the beginning was a monarchist, interested in reversing the results of WWI. The Nazis used "-Sozialist" in their party name to get voters switch from the traditional Socialdemocrats and Coommunists, who were among the strongest in the Reichstag. The Nazis benefitted from the traditional infighting between all the left parties.

150 Lined up and shot[edit]

Where is the citation for the figure of "some 150 SA leaders" were lined up and shot? The article Victims of the Night of the Long Knives cites historians Kershaw and Evans, who give conservative, minimum estimates of 85 dead. They point out that large estimates have been claimed, but nonetheless any number over 85 has a degree of uncertainty greater than 85. How, then, can this article appear to wield authority in claiming 150 so casually?

Honeymoon?[edit]

I've found a date of September 17, 1933 for his wedding, if this is correct, it seems unlikely that the couple were on honeymoon, especially since that phrase infers the exercise of connubial rites, that Mr. Erst would probably have found egregious. It would also mean the description of his 'spouse' as his "...new wife" is misleading. Is it possible to address this issue, with details such as: the date of his wedding and the name of his bride?146.90.80.210 (talk) 19:37, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT?[edit]

Why the facr that hh's been a bouncer at a gay nightclub makes this linkable to the LGBT portal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.39.21.2 (talk) 19:06, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]