Talk:Kansas City Shuffle

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Miscarriage[edit]

The Song Kansas City Shuffle from the film "Lucky Number Slevin" IS NOT THE ONE written by Bennie Moten...! Please correct, i'm Italian and my english is not so good. --94.36.87.185 (talk) 10:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct. The two songs have nothing to do with each other! 95.118.60.170 (talk) 17:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They don't sound alike at all, for one thing, anf the Bennie Moten version doesn't have any words to it either. 173.180.89.129 (talk) 05:17, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neologism[edit]

As far as I can tell, the below explanation (formerly on the main page) is made up. --The Cunctator (talk) 19:47, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In order for a confidence game to be a "Kansas City Shuffle" the mark must be aware that he is involved in a con, but also be wrong about how the con artist is planning to deceive him. The con artist will attempt to misdirect the mark in a way that leaves him with the impression that he has figured out the game and has the knowledge necessary to outsmart the con artist, but by attempting to retaliate, the mark unwittingly performs an action that helps the con artist to further the scheme.

The title refers to a situation where the con man bets the mark money he can't identify what state "Kansas City" is in. The mark, guessing that the conman was hoping to trick him into saying Kansas, identifies Kansas City, Missouri as his answer. The con man then reveals that there is a much less well-known Kansas City, Kansas meaning Kansas was actually the correct answer.

Pretty sure that is pretty much the information you get if you search for "Kansas City Shuffle" as a con game or grifter trick in any given search machine.--U'et (talk) 18:54, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As described, at least, it makes little sense, since the mark should not lose the bet by the correct statement that "Kansas City" is in Missouri (the existence of another one in Kansas doesn't negate the existence of the first). JudahH (talk) 12:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's an in-universe argument you could make with the conman if you lost the bet, but other than that, it's not a valid retort to its presence here in the article, which is describing how it is operated, not advocating how foolproof it is. It's also, only arguable, because the con relies on there always being a way the mark can still be wrong - the sense (Frege's "Sinn") of both Kansas Cities is the same, but the conman claims another reference (Bedeutung). His claim would always be the other one not said as the mark can only say one and the conman, unlike a stage magician, did not, say, write the answer in an envelope first. JesseRafe (talk) 13:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Age[edit]

Looking for and members to recreate great times CachondaSimp (talk) 05:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC) CSimp[reply]