Talk:Kalpavriksha

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Merge proposal[edit]

Consensus was to not merge. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:40, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Don't merge as this article is specific to Indian beliefs in the three religions of Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism, whereas wish tree deals with other subjects such as coin wells, Cootie wells, alcohol and other offerings etc and deals. There is only one sentence of Kalpavriksha in the entire article. Hence, don't merge the two articles. Best solution would be to included Wish tree under "See also" section.--Nvvchar. 01:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Don't merge: I have been invited to comment here, but I agree to but Nvvchar has said. Currently this section links Kalpavriksha as a main article. The article Kalpavriksha itself needs to be expanded (alternative name might be "Kalpa taru"), Hence, I propose to keep it in as it is condition. --Tito Dutta (talk) 08:21, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Decline: Do not agree on merge proposal. I agree with both Nvvchar and Titodutta, Kalpavriksha (Kalpataru) is more specific to dharmic tradition and has gain an almost mythical status. It can not be generalized with other wishing trees. Gunkarta  talk  12:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merge. Kalpavriksha might be a type of wish tree, but the topic is significant to deserve its own article. utcursch | talk 14:03, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Dharmadhyaksha (talk · contribs) 03:44, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nvvchar, I have started the review of this article. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:44, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Images
  • WP:ALT is missing on all images.
Done.
  • The "Pawan temple" in caption should actually be "Pawon temple" and wikilinked to Pawon.
Done.
Done.
  • The Jain temple mentioned in the captions of second image is Saavira Kambada Basadi. We can mention & wikilink that directly in the caption.
Done.
  • Rest all images are properly licenses and good to use.
    • All above issues have been addressed, except "Pawon temple" which is part of img file name. I am not sure if it can be changed.
Done. I was actually asking to change the caption. I did it now.
In Hinduism
  • Lead says Parvati and this para says Shiva created Ashokasundari. Please rectify the error. Or if legends are unclear on who actually created, let's just rephrase it to say that Ashokasundari was created.
    • Done
  • Boughs, leaves, flower, and buds need not ne wikilinked.
    • Delinked
  • "Tree also finds mention in the Sanskrit text Mānāsara." --> "Tree also finds mention in the Sanskrit text Mānāsara, part of Shilpa Shastras."
    • Changed
  • Mandana and Santana are wrongly wikilinked.
    • Delinked
  • "In Hindu mythology Shiva and Parvati after much painful discussions while parting with their daughter Aranyani gave her away to the divine Kalpavriksha for safe keeping." --> "In Hindu mythology Shiva and Parvati after much painful discussions while parting with their daughter Aranyani gave her away to the divine Kalpavriksha for safe keeping when the demon Andhakasura waged war."
    • Done
  • "The king of the gods, Indra returned with this Kalpavriksha to his abode, the paradise and planted it their." --> After this, add a line "Another myth says that Kalpavriksha was located on earth and was transported to Indra's abode after people started misusing it by wishing evil and wrong things." Refer this sentence to Dalal 2014.
    • Done
In Jainism
  • First para is good. But the second para refers to Dalal 2014 and I could not find that in the book. Of course many pages of the book are not visible on Google. So I will AGF it, unless you have my mistake placed a wrong Sfn of Dalal there. So please check.
    • This was added by another user before I started writing the article. It can be taken as AGF
In Buddhism
  • Calcutta Museum should be linked to Indian Museum. This ref states it clearly. Maybe the "Indian Museum" is also referred to as "Calcutta Museum" being situated there. Or maybe it was popularly referred so in 1964 when Randhawa wrote it.
    • Done
Identification with other trees
  • For all occurrences of tree names, their common names and their botanical names both should be mentioned. Botanical names go in parenthesis in italics. This point also applies for lead and other sections.
    • Doen in all cases
Done now.
  • Wrong wikilinks to Shravan.
    • Delinked
Done now.
  • Overlinks to deities, Hindu and Kintoor
    • Delinked
Done now.
In iconography
  • "Ornamental Kalpavriksha design was a feature that was adopted on the reverse of the coins in the Gupta period." --> "Ornamental Kalpavriksha design was a feature that was adopted on the reverse of the coins and sculptures in the Gupta period."
    • Done
In literature
  • "Kalidasa, in his poetry epitomizing " --> "Kalidasa, in his poetry Meghadūta epitomizing". Just for your info you can see it mentioned here in 2:12.
    • Added.
See also, References & Bibliography
  • Dictionary of Hindu Lore and Legend should be in italics. Also, why is there a reference added to it?
    • Done
  • Vaman Shivaram Apte is enlisted in bibliography but not used.
    • It is not there now
Done now.
  • Not compulsory for GA but its suggested that websites used in references be archived. There are very few as majority are books.
    • I am not conversant with this procedure. Please give an example so that I can use it in all my future artciles.
General
  • Many incidences of close paraphrasing. " Shiva's daughter Ashokasundari was created from Kalpavriksha tree by Parvati, to alleviate her loneliness." is ditto same. Close paraphrasing also seen from the source The Handbook of Tibetan Buddhist Symbols.
  • Using this ref Pg. 2 you can also mention kalpalata in the article.
    • Close paraphrasing has been addressed. Inf on Kalpalatha has been added.
  • All external links good.
  • No disambig links

Please see if these changes are possible and ping me when done or with comments to discuss if some points are pending/doubtful etc. Will put on hold till then and have a final look later on. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:17, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dharmadhyaksha Thank you very much for the detailed review. I suppose I have addresed all issue mentioned by you. I have replied below each issue. Please let me know if I have missed some issues so that I can do the needful.Nvvchar. 11:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks Nvvchar for quick solving of issues. I have done some changes afterwards to some points that were skipped. One point of archiving refs I will do soon. But that doesn't stop me from passing this as GA. Congratulations!! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dharmadhyaksha Thank you very much for the GA approval. Also thinks for giving me a tutorial on archiving. I will do it for the ret of the relevant urls. As I don't get ≥bot generated intimation of GA approvals (may need to know from you the way to get it while posting for GA) can you kindly leave a message of approval of this GA on my talk page. ThanksNvvchar. 10:48, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sikhism[edit]

I removed the references to Parjat and Sikhism as it is inapplicable. Parjat is one of many India specific concepts which are mentioned and re-defined in Sikh texts. Further explanation can be seen in this article for example:

https://www.gurbani.org/gurblog/parjat/

One example being the following verse:

ਬਿਰਖੁ ਜਮਿਓ ਹੈ ਪਾਰਜਾਤ ॥ ਫੂਲ ਲਗੇ ਫਲ ਰਤਨ ਭਾਂਤਿ ॥ ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਿ ਅਘਾਨੇ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣਹ ਗਾਇ ॥ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇ ॥ : by remembering and practicing the divine Wisdom / Virtues, PARJAT (wish fulfilling metaphorical tree) has sprouted Within me, which has been laden with precious Virtues like many kinds of flowers and fruits. (I am now) fully satisfied living with the divine Wisdom / Virtues. Jan Nanak, always remember the divine Naam (Wisdom / Virtues). (ਪੰਨਾ 1180).

The use of Parjat is explicitly metaphorical and not meant in any literal way.

Furthermore, someone included this line in the section on Sikhism, which I've also expunged.

== Sikhism === In Sikhism, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib's scriptures have various references to the tree, more commonly referring to it as "Parjat", which translates to "Elysian Tree".

I have no idea where this concept of "Elysian Tree" comes from and it seems to be manufactured out of whole cloth, perhaps to ensure the Sikhism section isn't blank. 207.194.38.164 (talk) 18:13, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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