Talk:Jules Shear

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Sources? For what?[edit]

I added a great deal of content to this article last year (and it's since been improved upon by others). What sort of statements in this article require sources? Most of the information in this article just comes from the credits of various albums. Does anyone find any part of this article doubtful? Examples? --63.25.24.52 13:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, I think that you are meant to reference the albums then.


The previous poster asked about sources. Why? Sources are required for ALL wikipedia articles. Writers must, according to the guidelines, cite reputable third-party sources, attributing all information. It could be an article in Rolling Stone, perhaps a link to a previously published article on a newspaper website. Those are credible sources. 128.111.56.35 (talk) 22:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I said, "Most of the information in this article just comes from the credits of various albums. " -- and I meant it. 98% of my contributions are along the lines of "Watch Dog was produced by Todd Rundgren and featured Elliot Easton on guitar.", or "Shear co-wrote the title track to Aimee Mann's Everything's Different Now with Matthew Sweet." Do you get it now? There's no "article in Rolling Stone", or anywhere else, for chrissakes -- it's just the simple fact that Shear has worked with so many notable figures (and sometimes written hit songs for them) -- and it all comes from the credits of the albums. It's patently ridiculous to insist on citations for such things. Is there any citation in the Beatles article that Billy Preston played keyboards on "Get Back"? Sure, you could find hundreds of articles that mention the fact, but is there a citation for the fact itself?
Besides . . . how do you cite an album, anyway? Wouldn't that just amount to re-listing the discography in a References section? I'll do it . . . if no one minds the article looking like shit. . . .
--63.25.11.98 (talk) 05:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Trap Door EP and a Great Puzzle note.[edit]

In the "Notes" section (which shouldn't be a "Notes" section, but I don't know how to fix it all up), it might (or might not) be worthy to name the three previously-unreleased songs on The Trap Door EP, since that disc is almost surely out of print. According to Answers.com, they are: "His Audience Has Gone To Sleep"; "She Makes Things Happen"; and "Nothing Is Left Behind". I'll let somebody else make the decision about including this info.

Also, I discovered one of my own errors: Polar Bear guitarist Richard Bredice was NOT on The Great Puzzle. Two other dudes named Richard were slinging axes on that one, and I believe Bredice IS on The Eternal Return (but I'd have to dig out my box of LPs to be sure), so my mind mixed the two together. I should NOT have been relying on my mind in the first place. My apologies. --63.25.244.230 18:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's "Funky Kings" not "The Funky Kings"[edit]

Source: Funky Kings album, Funky Kings. (Say "funky kings" five times fast.) Likewise, it's "Reckless Sleepers", not "The Reckless Sleepers", and the title of their album is Big Boss Sounds! not Big Boss Sounds. Article has been edited to reflect this.
--Ben Culture (talk) 08:00, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tense forms in describing the albums[edit]

I'm editing the section "About the Albums", and it seems like the past tense is being used incorrectly. For examples: It seems to me, that on the one hand --

"Steady" was co-written with Cyndi Lauper . . .

-- or --

Watch Dog was produced by Todd Rundgren

-- is correct, but --

Demo-Itis was a collection of home and studio demos . . .

-- or --

The Eternal Return opened with "If She Knew What She Wants" . . .

-- is not correct. Demo-itis remains a collection of demos. The Eternal Return still opens with "If She Knew What She Wants". So I'm changing these sorts of sentences to present tense. Hope this is correct.
--Ben Culture (talk) 08:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

About the Albums: Attempting clarity and brevity.[edit]

In my edit of this section, I removed some parenthetical asides. I didn't feel it should be necessary to give an example of the difference between first-person and third-person narrative form, in the lyrical differences between Jules's original "If She Knew What She Wants" and the cover version by The Bangles. The terms were wikified, so readers could look them up. I also didn't believe it was necessary to explain that a credit for playing "lead guitar" means you played the guitar solos. As mentioned in my previous comment here, I changed the past tense to present in certain cases. Hopefully I got it all right. Generally, I restructured each paragraph in the hopes of making it clearer without adding too much. This section has the potential to get very sloppy.
--Ben Culture (talk) 08:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Collaborations.[edit]

Something I removed from the "About the Albums" section was a one-sentence item like Shear co-wrote "Such-and-Such" with So-and-So on their Such-and-Such album. The item did not indicate why that particular song was notable, aside from the artist having a Wikipedia article. Thing is, Jules Shear has co-written scores, if not hundreds, of songs with other people, for their albums. I have read of a studio head deciding, for the artist, that he needed to write a song with Jules, in order to boost the artist's success. A list of Shear co-compositions that appeared on other artists's albums would be very long and tedious indeed. So, unless the particular song is notable in some way, and that can be shown, I suggest such info not be added to the article.
--Ben Culture (talk) 09:09, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The chart of Shear compositions that have been hits looks great! That's exactly what I was groping at, but I wouldn't know how to make a chart like that, and I didn't have all that information, anyway. Kudos to whoever did it!
--Ben Culture (talk) 08:42, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Jules Shear/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

The previous poster asked about sources. Why? Sources are required for ALL wikipedia articles. Writers must, according to the guidelines, cite reputable third-party sources, attributing all information. It could be an article in Rolling Stone, perhaps a link to a previously published article on a newspaper website. Those are credible sources. 128.111.56.35 (talk) 22:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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