Talk:Judy Holliday

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers.

Jewish culture Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Jewish culture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Jewish culture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Jewish cultureWikipedia:WikiProject Jewish cultureTemplate:WikiProject Jewish cultureJewish culture articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women's History Low‑importance

	History portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women's history and related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women's HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject Women's HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Women's HistoryWomen's History articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

LGBT studies

This article is of interest to WikiProject LGBT studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBT-related issues on Wikipedia. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the project page or contribute to the discussion.LGBT studiesWikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studiesTemplate:WikiProject LGBT studiesLGBT articles

Women

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women articles

Women in Music

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women in Music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women in music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women in MusicWikipedia:WikiProject Women in MusicTemplate:WikiProject Women in MusicWomen in music articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

172 IQ[edit]

This needs sourcing; there are plenty of urban legends positing that various act(ors)(resses) had high IQs.

Indeed; and so does the outlandish (and rather insulting) suggestion that she "played dumb" at the trial about her being a Communist... --babbage (talk) 05:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

indeed, indeed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.59.28 (talk) 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than mentioning IQ, I think at least one anecdote discusses her extraordinary memory.--Jrm2007 (talk) 05:33, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't there a decent biography written that could settle this question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.71.58.170 (talk) 11:15, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the hint from Jrm2007: IQ is a red herring in the best of cases, and any IQ test of her day would likely have been on the Stanford-Binet scale, which topped out at 145. A statement like, "IQ of 172" is rather like "had bazillions of dollars." If there is a source, the source is indicted by the number. Since there isn't a source, this just doesn't need to be there. Furthermore, an actress on Broadway who is off book on a long play is not going to be the ditz that Ms. Holliday played. Anyone who believes that an actress is her part, especially after reading the biography, is not going to be cured of misconceptions by a Wikipedia article. Hithladaeus (talk) 13:20, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Holliday a Lesbian?[edit]

It has been reported that Judy Holliday was a Lesbian. The only printed source I could find is the book "Hollywood Gays" by Boze Hadleigh. It stated that she had a significant relationship with a female police officer. 76.124.117.121 (talk) 13:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)buddmar[reply]

According to Hadleigh, everyone you ever heard of was gay. Something more substantial than his gossip and unsubstantiated innuendo is necessary, in my opinion. Even with my own orientation, I find it offensive to read his suggestions that "everyone" in Hollywood is hiding their gayness, but are ready (once they're conveniently dead) to admit it to Hadleigh. Read the Hadleigh article. Monkeyzpop (talk) 14:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not only is everyone in Hollywood homosexual, but, if you read Wikipedia biographies, everyone in the world shares that propensity. The only wonder is that there are so many people in the world.Lestrade (talk) 13:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

Read more Wikipedia biographies. babbage (talk) 20:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Oppenheim[edit]

I feel strongly that the internal link to English physicist Jonathan Oppenheim has nothing to do with Ms. Holliday's son. Thoughts? Patricia Meadows (talk) 07:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also David Oppenheim:

It strikes me as pretty odd to say someone's survived by their ex-husband. Is this usual? Dchudz (talk) 19:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen newspaper obituaries where surviving ex-spouses are listed among the survivors; it can happen if the two persons remained close after the divorce, etc.Maccb (talk) 03:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

music co-write credit[edit]

She was credited with co-writing the theme music for the 1965 film version of AThousand Clowns with her long-time partner, baritone saxophonist Gerry Mulligan. Unfortunately, she died months before the film's release.Maccb (talk) 03:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage to Gerry Mulligan[edit]

The article says she and Gerry Mulligan were married. Is there any record for this statement. Everywhere I have looked just lists them as partners. 86.16.153.234 (talk) 18:08, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

She was a Communist![edit]

She was a communist, by trying to `explain' and play dumb, she was lying and covering up the truth to the matter of the fact that she was indeed a Communist or at least a Communist sympathizer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.122.162 (talk) 14:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And you know this how, exactly, Mr. McCarthy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.172.89.74 (talk) 14:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Breast cancer vs. throat cancer[edit]

I have never read anything that said Ms Holliday had anything other than breast cancer. It wasn't talked about at the time, because there was much more stigma. 2600:387:F:4330:0:0:0:4 (talk) 01:13, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added two sources for breast cancer, but left in the citation to the TCM bio that says throat cancer. Hopefully this will end the edit-warring on this point. PDGPA (talk) 03:41, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life: should Leonard Bernstein entry be included?[edit]

Under ‘Personal life and death’ - wonder why was included the aside, “(Mutual friend Leonard Bernstein had written Oppenheim five years earlier, in the context of Bernstein's struggles with his sexuality, that Bernstein had thought of marrying Holliday as a beard.)”? This is not included in Bernstein’s wikiarticle, does not relate directly to Holliday, is irrelevant, extraneous, impertinent trivia, seems not to be encyclopedic, and seems to be included in WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 06:53, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That well-sourced detail sheds important and fascinating light on Holliday's inclusion in a circle of exceptionally talented young artists and performers. Potentially it should also be in the Bernstein wikiarticle, which is exceptionally long and detailed (and frequently edited). PDGPA (talk) 03:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]