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Value protection[edit]

Hi Hammersoft, I ask you to place an entry for the entry because there are unregistered editors who corrupt the entry. I would be happy if this would be an indefinite protection 2A00:A040:195:5461:DCA:5DCC:A10B:B056 - talk 03:33, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can barely speak English, you add huge unsourced sections on "style of play", you remove references from the infobox and honours section, and threaten blocks to anyone who reverts you once. The article does need protection, yet not in the way you are imagining. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:79B3:9F06:A9D7:31C9 (talk) 18:15, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Given your focus on this article in particular, and how you write in such praise of the subject, are you employed by Pesqueira or his club? If so, you should not be editing this article at all per WP:COI. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:79B3:9F06:A9D7:31C9 (talk) 18:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, you are either User:Assaf Official or had the same questionable English teacher as him. You restore his edit [1] [2]. You use the same broken English when you create user talk pages to ask for people to be blocked [3] [4] [5]. Thus, it may not be wise for you to keep contacting admins. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:8B8:E2FD:BC81:CC40 (talk) 18:40, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:Assaf Official stopped editing logged-in after being reverted in November 2020, and has since only used IP addresses, to create an illusion of multiple people supporting his point of view. [6] 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:8B8:E2FD:BC81:CC40 (talk) 18:44, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also consider how the IP consistently uses the word "value" to mean article, and "corrupt" for vandalise, as does Assaf. He does so here, while blanking a talk page that pointed out his inadequate English and requesting protection on a talk page, as on this article. [7] 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:8B8:E2FD:BC81:CC40 (talk) 20:48, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Hammersoft, I ask you to place protection of this value indefinitely. Clearly see the corruption of value on a regular basis for no reason. Attitude However, the anonymous user seems to have a hidden reason to torpedo edits of the user who edited the entry for personal and unprofessional reason. I do not care what is the problem of the editor who corrupts the entry with the same editor but it can not be reflected in the fact that he corrupts entries 2A00:A040:195:5461:A13A:3F56:E50D:8C7D - talk 13:22, 01 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Stop this Assaf Official, and edit logged in like a man instead of grabbing admins every time somebody disagrees with you. You don't understand no original research, you are using Google translate or barely speak English, and you still haven't said why you must strip the infobox of references 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:C13C:4C62:BFA9:B3F8 (talk) 11:29, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do not know what you want from that editor, and to be honest it does not interest me. The very fact that you are fighting a person instead of contributing to Wikipedia says a lot about why you should be blocked. Stop corrupting the entry, it is edited in an excellent and up-to-date manner and the reason you corrupt it is unrealistic. My English level is not relevant to the conversation at all 2A00:A040:195:5461:A13A:3F56:E50D:8C7D - talk 13:22, 01 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Stop playing dumb. You restore his edits, you use the same mistranslations as him "value", "corrupt", you create user talk pages to rant for people who revert you to be blocked. Your editing is not excellent, now just tell me why you strip the infobox and honours of references, shorten the intro and rewrite the page in Google translate English? 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:C13C:4C62:BFA9:B3F8 (talk) 11:43, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to remove references from the infobox, the career stats table and the honours section and sources should be given for the 'Style of play' section. Also, it appears to be a machine translation directly from Hebrew Wikipedia which is lacking attribution. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 12:39, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with Microwave Anarchist. Passages like "On August 27, 2020, Josué made his debut in the Hapoel Be'er Sheva uniform at a European factory against Dinamo Batumi." and "In the 2010–11 season VVV was loaned out of the Eredivisie." are machine translations, one with strange vocabulary, and the other with incorrect grammar due to the highly different structure of the Hebrew language. Assaf/Israeli IP may say that it is neither here nor there that his English is not perfect, but this is the English Wikipedia and the page read correctly before his edits. I agree that the current version is outdated slightly but you can throw that baby out with the bath water of broken English, reference stripping and original research. Assaf/IP's only reason to restore his version is that it's the one that he likes. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:85FD:72EA:14E5:DC21 (talk) 13:09, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever accused me of impersonation should be ashamed, I always use my account to edit it is not a crime I am proud of my edits. However, even if my English is not good, there are other people who use Google Translate to write in English. Not everyone is me! In the professional section you are more harmful than helpful, laziness for its own sake. Was there a problem with spotting what you wanted? For what to restore all the value? Unparalleled corruption. We are here together and not against each other. Need to help each other even if someone makes a mistake or need to add something, for what to recover and underestimate the work of hours? Be a human being, and consider the investment of the other, harm is the easiest. I'm not going to get into a quarrel and arguments like we did here before, although it's really unpleasant to see what was here. We are mature people, consider work and if there is something that needs to be taken care of, then it is possible to take care of it on a spot basis and not harm the whole value. There is still a person who has spent hours to contribute, appreciation among people Assaf - talk 10:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Assaf Official: Editors should not be using machine translation, per WP:MACHINE, and equally translation of the Hebrew Wikipedia article, as this seems to be, requires attribtuion for copyright reasons (see WP:TFOLWP) which this lacks. Assaf, I would kindly recommend either backing down here as concensus of multiple editors is against you, or if you are insistent, you could seek outside opinions from WP:DRN or WP:3O as I don't want this to become another edit-war. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 21:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
According to some statements here it really seems personal and unprofessional, to be honest I prefer not to think like that. I do not get money for my donations here, and I invest my time to donate, I saw what was done here before and it was a bit unpleasant, I decided to take down the paragraph that was debated and I still see the value restored to its former state, and I ask why? If style of play was the problem and I downloaded this paragraph then what's the problem now? As editors should talk and help each other and not fight each other. So anyone who thinks that editing even after I downloaded the style of play paragraph on which the problem was removed has been removed, so what exactly is the problem. The bottom line goal is to contribute, my edit is up to date and never leave outdated pages in Wikipedia, so what's the problem? Let’s talk and see how the value can be interpreted in a way that everyone agrees on Assaf - talk 13:26, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi GiantSnowman and Microwave Anarchist, tell me, If Style or Play was the problem that caused the entry to be restored and I removed that paragraph, what's the problem now? Let me know, I am a veteran editor and I have edited quite a few entries. I have not encountered such problems, but you may have something to innovate for me so please, let's explain explain to me and we can solve the problems regarding editing Assaf - talk 13:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Assaf Official: As I said above, editors should not be using machine translation, per WP:MACHINE, and equally translation of the Hebrew Wikipedia article, as this seems to be, requires attribtuion for copyright reasons (see WP:TFOLWP) which this lacks. Equally, Quite A Character makes 4 very good points below as to why the content in your version is objectionable on grounds of quality. The curent article is far from perfect, but it at least is factually accurate and reads well in English. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 19:38, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let me "explain" then: 1 - you DON'T REMOVE the references from the infobox, the statistic chart and the honours section, that IS vandalism; 2 - at WP, we are interested in relevant goals/matches (debut, a goal in a cup final for example), not just about every match and goal and assist a player is involved in (and especially not stuff like "On October 2, 2020 his team was drawn at Group C with Bayer Leverkusen, Slavia Prague and Nice.", that belongs in the club article, and even there i'm not 100% sure, no relevance to Mr. Pesqueira's career); 3 - you improve your English; 4 - the current version is written in proper English and with the proper career details, please don't revert it again and only add relevant content (for example, if Hapoel win the league or the cup and this player scores an important goal in those tournaments).

Understood? Can not explain it any clearer. Good afternoon. --Quite A Character (talk) 12:26, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Found this: the correct version (the current one) stated that he SCORED in the 2016 Taça de Portugal Final (with the match score, the fact it went to a penalty shootout and the opposing team), you removed everything and left only "Later in the season he helped his team win the Taça de Portugal in penalty shoot-out.". Another incredibly wrong edit, and very close to vandalism without being vandalism! --Quite A Character (talk) 12:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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