Talk:José Cabrera Nuclear Power Station

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Update needed[edit]

Obviously an out of date article... due to be dismantled in 2006 it reads! And it doesn't even say what class of reactor this was.

This is currently the only article in Category:Nuclear power stations in Spain. There are eight reactors at six power stations according to http://www.uic.com.au/nip85.htm but it's not obvious to me whether this is any of them. Perhaps it has closed.

There were also another five stations under construction and abandoned at the time of the moratorium on new stations. Lots to do. Andrewa 20:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops! Need to merge to with Central nuclear José Cabrera... my mistake, I'll do it. Andrewa 04:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name for merged article[edit]

It's a line call, but José Cabrera + Spain + nuclear gets 765 English-language Google hits while Juan Cabrera gets only 155. So I'll go with José Cabrera nuclear power plant as the title of the English article.

As I created one of the articles, I'll move the other one, and cut-and-paste only from my own work, which leaves us lilly-white regarding the history and GFDL issues. Andrewa 06:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who is this Juan Cabrera[edit]

Interesting that there is no Juan Cabrera listed at Cabrera, and neither of the two men currently listed as José Cabrera look likely candidates to have a Spanish NPP named after them... One is Argentinian, the other Dominican. None of the web pages, including the articles in the French, German and Spanish Wikipedias, seem to say. Andrewa 07:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Google provides some promising hits, but they all seem to lead to articles you need to pay to view. The search result list itself yields some information: In 1921 Juan Cabrera, Blas's younger brother, went to Paris, where he worked with Maurice de Broglie in his Laboratoire de Recherches Physiques... and In 1921 Juan Cabrera, Blas’s younger brother, worked with Maurice de Broglie in his Laboratoire de Recherches Physiques in Paris; in 1929... Interesting but not citeable unless you pay for the articles. Andrewa 02:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, it appears this Juan Cabrera may be the younger brother of Blas Cabrera Felipe, and therefore the uncle of Nicolás Cabrera and great-uncle of Blas Cabrera, and also a physicist in his own right, emminent enough to have worked with Maurice de Broglie.

But, if this NPP is named after him (still to be established), why is it more often called José Cabrera in both Spanish and English? Andrewa 03:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

French Wikipedia has an article on a footballer Juan Cabrera. Neither the Spanish nor German Wikipedias (the other two that have articles on this NPP) have any mention of him, and they both call this NPP José Cabrera, as does French Wikipedia and most but not all English web pages. Andrewa 03:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citation needed[edit]

A citation needed tag has been added to the phrase (also known as Juan Cabrera in English). I'd like to resolve this, but it's not obvious to me how to.

There seems little doubt that the statement is both true and verifiable... the Google searches above surely are ample evidence of this. But, they're not citeable secondary sources. I don't really know where you'd look for one, and it seems a waste of time to try.

So, another possibility is to remove the statement. But this would contradict the MOS, as Juan Cabrera redirects here, and would be a classical violation of the principle of least astonishment. That is to say, it would be to omit important information. People are going to come here looking for Juan Cabrera NPP, and wonder why they end up here.

Or, possibility three, we could also delete the redirect from Juan Cabrera. I add this just for completeness; We'll just have the article recreated if we do that, as many English documents refer to the station as Juan Cabrera with no reference to its other name.

Or, possibility four, we could just remove the notice. That seems logical to me: IMO the notice is just plain wrong; This statement needs no citation; It is true, verifiable, and encyclopedic, and a classical case of you don't need to cite that the sky is blue. The problem is, the tag was put here for some reason, there's a certain amount of disagreement on the subject, so if I just remove it there's a very real risk it will just come back.

So, possibility five: Discuss it here. Anyone have any other ideas? It's a shame IMO that there's no policy requiring those who add these tags to say on the talk page why they think a citation is needed, but there's not, so we just have to live with that. In this case, there isn't even an edit summary indicating that the tag was added, let alone why. Andrewa 01:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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