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Corrections[edit]

Both the Dog Day Afternoon article and the imdb page say that Ernest Aron died in 1987, not 1982. I'm changing it, but don't know if the article date quoted was correct apart from the year, so I'm removing the entire date. — Asbestos | Talk 3 July 2005 00:30 (UTC)

Wojtowicz says that he and Aron were married [[1]]. But Dragonpi says they weren't, although his claim is uncited and appears to be based upon an assumption. Do we know anything about the circumstances of Wojtowicz's marriage that might shed light upon the question?

As I read it, Dragonpi seems to be arguing that, because the Roman Catholic church does not recognize gay marriage, whatever ceremony Wojtowicz and Aron performed was not properly Roman Catholic. The article may be better phrased "married in a mock Roman Catholic wedding," or something like that. Uucp 02:50, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but we don't know what the circumstances of the wedding were. If a Roman Catholic priest performed a wedding mass for them, it seems reasonable to say they were married in a Roman Catholic ceremony, even if that ceremony wasn't approved by church hierarcy. I realize it's a semantic argument, but if, for example, the priest decided that they should be married, or didn't realize they were a same-sex couple (Aron WAS a transsexual, after all), that doesn't mean the ceremony didn't happen. "In a mock Roman Catholic wedding" doesn't seem quite accurate if the priest married them in good faith, to me. -FisherQueen 21:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A same-sex marriage in New York would not have been legal then, so even if they were married by someone who wrongly believed the pre-op transsexual was a woman, the marriage would have been invalid, as both parties were actually male. F W Nietzsche (talk) 15:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date of release from prison[edit]

Everything I've read says that Wojtowicz only served seven years out of his twenty year sentence, yet this article says that he was released in 1987. By my calculations, that is fifteen years. Why the discrepancy? Are people getting the date of his lover's death mixed up with the date he was released from prison? Shouldn't he have been released around 1979 or 80? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Williams (talk • contribs) 17:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Federal Bureau of Prisons Inmate Locator Results for John Stanley Wojtowicz

--The source you have found does not identify him as out Jon Wojtowicz, look at that inmate's age. Not a good source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.34.2.98 (talk) 02:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wojtowicz was released from the Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania on April 10, 1987 after serving almost 14 years and 8 months of his 20 year sentence. I don't know where they come up with the false statement that he was released from prison after only 7 years, but it is not true! 24.168.42.182 14:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does the Inmate Locator link in this section state each person's age by what their age would be assuming they are still alive? Don't the operators of the site know that he's dead? If so, it is almost certainly him, as that is how old he would be if he hadn't died; the full name, which I would think is unusual, is correct. For him to have been released from a 20 year sentence after only seven years would be unusual, unless his sentence was reduced on appeal, which I don't believe it was. F W Nietzsche (talk) 14:56, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronouns and male/female name[edit]

All articles at the time refer to Wojtowicz's transexual lover by male name and pronoun. A wikipedia editor has just gone through and changed all of these to female name and pronoun. Does anybody know the date of any legal name change? If not, I think use of the male name and pronoun is probably appropriate, before the date of a sex-change operation anyway. Uucp (talk) 22:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Death[edit]

Which cancer? F W Nietzsche (talk) 15:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Was Wojtowicz Jewish?[edit]

Was Wojtowicz Jewish? If not, does anybody know what religion he was, if any? Thanks in advance to anybody that knows —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.128.165 (talk) 22:47, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since he's a son of Polish father and Italian mother then he is undoubtedly catholic, of course if not atheist. Tockman (talk) 09:00, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

he may have very well been Catholic as you say, but you dont provide a good reason. There are Polish Jews and Italian Jews! 2600:4041:513E:9700:74C4:7E89:D95:67A1 (talk) 22:41, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Release date from prison[edit]

Wojtowicz was released in 1978.[2] Twice after that he was picked up for violating parole. That prison record is most likely him being released from his parole violation. And here is another article, written in 1978, that mentions his release.[3]...William 15:06, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merges[edit]

Obviously, this article + Salvatore Naturale + Elizabeth Eden should be merged. E Eng 03:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

Throughout the documentary The Dog (Storyville: The Great Sex Addict Heist), Wojtowicz pronounces his own surname wottowitch, and not as one would expect according to the Polish scheme of pronunciation. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? Nuttyskin (talk) 11:35, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it! — fourthords | =Λ= | 16:36, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion to remove[edit]

in the article it claims "(male-to-female) gender affirming surgery; however, this type of surgery did not exist during the time period.", then links the male to female wiki page which cites cases of mtf surgeries done before 1973. While maybe not common or a wide spread process, it did exist during this time so to say otherwise is wrong. "; however, this type of surgery did not exist during the time period." should be removed Isengrom (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to say the exact same thing. That line is flatly incorrect, and the article it links to conclusively contradicts the claim. I'll go ahead and delete the line, because it's provably false. Albert Mond (talk) 15:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]