Talk:John Cena/Archive 2

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Requesting Lock on Article

I like to be with my wife Can a lock be put up, and then can it be removed after this Sunday? 69.181.81.102 03:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Eh, just a lock on unregistered users would be fine. In fact, many wrestler articles need a perma anon lock due to constant vandalism and the constant adding of play-by-play information that is not encyclopedic. --Naha|^(talk) 04:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and got this done because I'm tired of the nonsense that keeps getting added. At least nonsense will require a wikipedia account now /shrug --Naha|^(talk) 09:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

PICTURE

I, by far, am not Cena's number one fan, but we need a better picture than the one that is up there. COME ON. JAY HARPER 21:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC) JAY HARPER 21:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The five pictures throughout the article are fine. Bdve 22:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that the first oneneeds to be changed, because that is not a photo of him in the WWE. He looks pissed off and frankly the photo sucks. JAY HARPER 20:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

The photo is free use and it is favored on Wikipedia. Plus, there are other pictures of him in the article. --Mikedk9109 21:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of images, I moved the title belt images down to the section on title belts. Personally I think they look better and make more sense there, but someone keeps moving them back. Anyone else have an opinion on it. - Bdve 14:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, they could be moved down in the title section by each title reign respectively. Put the U.S. belt by the U.S. reigns and the WWE belt by the WWE Reigns. --Mikedk9109 15:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Six Moves of Doom: incorrect?

I think Cena's Six Moves of Doom should be like this:

1. Multiple clotheslines or diving shoulder block 2. Sit-out hip toss 3. Spin-out powerbomb 4. Five Knuckle Shuffle 5. F-U 6. STF-U

Why does Cena alone amongst wrestlers, get his moveset named? The vast majority of Pro Wrestlers have a list moves they do like that. Does anyone think this is really necessary, and if so, why? BoosterBronze 16:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)BoosterBronze

Because that is all the moves he uses, unlike any other wrestler. People notice that more about him. Hogan doesn't have 3 moevs of doom because no-one uses the term. It is used with John Cena.

Concering Cena's "Six Moves of Death"....

It's not a damned fact! People have said !@#$ like this about other wrestlers, but it's the fans who have said it, therefore it is NOT OFFICIAL! In fact, if you're going to add the "Six Moves of Death" to Cena, then you might as well add the "Three Moves of Death" to Triple H:1)High Knee, 2)Facebuster knee smack, & 3)The Pedigree. If you aren't going to add that to Triple H, then remove the same thing from Cena.

DarknessProductionsInc 03:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

You just stated the reason why and don't seem to even realise it: No fans have, as far as I am aware, coined a term for Triple H's moves but they have for Cena's. If there was a widely known name for Triple H's moves it would be in his article. Just because the nickname for Cena's move list was generated by his fans doesn't mean it shouldn't mentioned in the article. Professional Wrestling is about the fans, when a term becomes widely used, its accepted regardless of its origin. It would be one thing if a random wikipedia editor decided to call Cena's moves by a certain name, but its not just one person - its many many fans calling it this and that is what makes it notable; we're going to list the moves anyway, so why not throw in the term they are known by while we're at it. Basically, this is not the type of information that has to be offical insofar as having to come from the promotion. --Naha|^(talk) 17:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Then, why isn't the same type of moveset on Bret Hart's bio? Hmmmm?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by DarknessProductionsInc (talk • contribs)

Because nobody's bothered to write it. --Antrophica 03:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah what Antrophica said. *sigh* I suppose I should have said "If there was a widely known name for Triple H's moves you would be welcomed to add it to his article." But then again everyone around here is so damn literal. Can't take the spirit of a comment, must pick it apart. I even catch myself doing this now... --Naha|^(talk) 05:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, in Triple H's defense, his moves don't come in a predictable sequence. --Antrophica 07:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Another excellent point. --Naha|^(talk) 13:16, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah exactly. Prior to Backlash we actually saw Cena get caught by Triple H in the middle of the 5/6 moves of doom cause his moves come in a predictable sequence. Night Bringer 11:45 am (GMT +10) May 9th 2006

It is called five moves of doom not six

Any fan worth their salt knows the term as Five moves of doom. Calling it Six moves of doom is just a Cena fan boy/girl who wants to make him look better. This is not about making him look bad or good it is just a simple fact that the referance has been Five moves of doom since the beging. I have tried to edit it but it just keeps getting put back. You shoulnd't edit the page of a wresler unless you know somthing about wrestling. Please fix this. --Stupify 07:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

"Six" is starting to catch on due to the incorporation of the new finisher, the STF-U, and there's no reason not to include it. --Antrophica 08:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Six is not he phrase. Plus he very rarley uses the protobomb. It should be changed to five even if does more moves because it is the Five moves of doom. That or just remove it. I feel that if somthing is inacurate it should be fixed or removed all togather. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.215.145 (talk • contribs)

He uses the Protobomb in most of his matches, which means it's not a very rare or even a rare occurrence. As for the "# Moves of Doom", I won't bother to repeat myself. --Antrophica 19:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Yea I wouldn't want to repeat my self if I was wrong either. It is very clear you know nothing about wrestling you changed the phrase for Cena to make him look better. Fan boy/Girls piss me off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.215.145 (talk • contribs)

First of all, Antrophica trying to make him look better? I'm sure that is the farthest thing from ~~her~~ his mind: Ant is one of the editors who insisted in putting back the fan backlash section - so I seriously doubt any intentions on ~~her~~ his part were in defense of this wrestler. I fail to see any bias regarding this issue.

Ant is also a fine editor, which brings me to my second point: Please refrain from personal attacks. Debate opinions and points, not the people who make them. There is no reason to get angry or call people names, especially people who don't deserve it.

Third, I've seen both "Five" and "Six" used in several places - "Six" is, as she says, starting to catch on. However, I'm not sure its the most popular phrase yet. I just did an Advanced Google search and came up with the following results:

"Fix moves of doom" - 507 hits
"5 moves of doom" - 599 hits
"Six moves of doom" - 47 hits
"6 moves of doom" - 32 hits.

While I am inclined to agree that his moveset currently consists of 6 moves, this search seems to indicate that "6" has not taken over yet. Five or Six, its not really that important, the body of the articles is. --Naha|^(talk) 20:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I've been thinking, we could put it back at Five until Six really catches on, that would also mean a long drawn-out explanation about how the STF-U comes in.

Slight digression: I've always prided myself in understanding women, but I'm fairly sure I'm a, if slightly effeminate, male. --Antrophica 06:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I took a stab at it. With nothing to go on (your blank user page), and your username ending in "a" I thought "she" was a slighty educated guess. I actually wrote that whole post using "they and their" in place of "she and her" at first, but in hindsight though it looked stupid so I changed all the pronouns before hitting "Save page". Win some, lose some! At any rate, my apologies, good sir! --Naha|^(talk) 15:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I've had people make the same mistake in real life. Maybe it has something to do with me being a beautiful, beautiful man. Better stop right here.

Oh, and he/she > they. --Antrophica 17:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

:) --Naha|^(talk) 21:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Seeing Cena has hardly ever just all six of these moves to win his matches I've changed to back five. Though personally I don't see the use in the section.

Fan Backlash

If you are going to discuss the fan backlash it should be added that their are fans who don't like him because they think he is not a skilled wrestler. I don't care about his charecter or how he is in the media all I care about is the fact that he is limited in the ring but that is left out of this biased bio. --Stupify 07:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Cena was known as a competent wrestler with substantial charisma before he sunk so deeply into his current gimmick. Fans who've kept up with him aren't angry because he's an incompetent wrestler but because he's placed these limits on himself and changed his wrestling style quite drastically. --Antrophica 08:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Correction on your statment I watched Cena in OVW and on smackdown and considered him incompatent through out all of that so yes they do consider him a bad wrestler go to any wrestling community in the world and 95 percent of the people who don't like him will tell you that is why they don't. I didn't like him as prototype and I don't like him as Cena I think he is one of the worst wrestlers in the last 10 years.

Neither of you can speak for everyone who dislikes him, no one can. Its absurd to think otherwise. Although, Antrophica's statements seem to be closer to the opinions I typically hear. --Naha|^(talk) 18:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Naha I agree! He cannot wrestle, he is only the WWE Champion becuase he is marketable, there are guys in the WWE that will rip him apart when it comes to wrestling ability. He has held the belt for way too long and I think that it is about time that someone else competent holds the belt, while he goes to OVW and get some training! The reason he is having fan backlash is becuase his reign has become boring and fans are started to see that Cena cannot wrestle. Anyone who thinks he can knows absoltuely nothing about Professional Wrestling. (Fr3nZi3 18:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC))

I've said my piece about Cena, which I believe to adhere to the consensus, especially IWC columnists. Let's not let this degenerate into a debate about personal beliefs. --Antrophica 18:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

This isn't a debate about personal beliefs it should just be added that some of the fans think he is a poor wrestler it is a fact that there are fans who think this so it should be added. I know it wont given the obvious bias to Cena by what ever fan Boy / Girl wrote this

Maybe something needs to be added with the theories as to why he's no longer as popular such as the simple: been champion too long, to the ridiculous: he's too "beautiful" as reported on lordsofpain.net

Do you even know about Cena?Everybody likes him,he's the WWE Champion,he looks cool,and he is a professional skilled wrestler.Noone like people who hates Cena.Noone can rip apart Cena you idiots who hate Cena.

.P.S.Noone like you Fr3nZi3. user:dark-hooded smoker

The size of the Fan Backlash section has grown to beyond what I would consider an acceptable percentage of the entire article. Its just out of proportion. It needs to be a general overview of the situation, not "on this date in this city they liked him" and a few days later "in this city they didn't like him" kind of thing. Its a bit rediculous. I will leave it to someone else to size down, as my edits in this area tend to be reverted repeatedly. --Naha|^(talk) 04:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I was planning on taking care of it, but it'll have to wait a few weeks before I do anything more to the John Cena article other than revert vandalism. I burned myself out rewriting the Elisha Cuthbert and Christian Bale articles, so you'll have to handle it this time round. --Antrophica 08:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I've cut it back some. Feel free to redo parts, as you are a much better writer than me. --Naha|^(talk) 02:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Now you're being too kind. --Antrophica 03:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Seems like someone took it off but I think it should stay off since just about every wrestler gets backlashed.

Yes almost every wrestler gets backlashed, but this is something that could ruin Cena's career if it keeps up. He is dangerously close to getting X-Pac Heat or worse, Dead Heat. I say keep the section. This is something close to what happened in the early career of The Rock. He started out as Rocky Miavia, and couldnt connect to the fans. John needs to go back to the cocky freestyling rapper that gained him success or get a new gimmick like the Rock did. User:Killswitch Engage

If Fan Backlash has to stay atleast summirize it so not 3 paragraphs atleast. BionicWilliam 01:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Why are edits that suggest some fans dislike someone like Cena, who they see as having poor workrate, going on such a long reign and beating everyone deleted, but other suggestions aren't? The section just smacks of Cena fans admitting there's a backlash, but blaming it on everyone except Cena himself.

I personally believe that a reason why Cena has so many haters out there is due to the fact that he changed shows. My reason is that the most dominated Title (World Title) was on the most Dominated Brand (Raw) but then after Cena and Batista switched shows both of the wrestlers couldn't really have great fued because not many of them mixed with the characters on the brand. In Cena case he went down hill and only really had fueds with Jericho and Kurt Angle and became boring because he wasn't given fueds at the time like Edge or HHH. I also agree that it is his nice guy gimmick. I think that more people would like him if he would rap and get in everybodies face like he did when he was US Champ.

Why is it that I add to the fan backlash section about part of the reason being his perception as a wigger and its deleted? Do we have a groupie here?

Part of wrestling is about an ability to perform the athletic apart. Cena is clumsy he looks like he is going to fall everytime he throws a punch, even his entrance looks clumsy. I suspect he is just awkward. Sorry, but he is NOT a very good wrestler. Part of the entire experience is suspension of belief - I never belived for one second "character" john Cena could beat "character" Chris Jericho.

Nor do I believe he could beat Van Dam, Triple H. I do think Edge sucks just as much as he does. Simply put as a person who has been a fan for awhile, I think he incompetent.

no,he lost against rvd cuz edge intefered in the ecw rules.he defeated triple h and edge.if it was wwe rules,he would beat rvd with an fu or stfu.rvd was just about to tap out wen he got stfued,then edge interfered.i hate edge,he's my least favourite wrestler and i hate him da most.user:dark-hooded smoker

I also think the WWE is missing part of the reason why, many wrestlers with MUSIC oriented gimmicks fail. The Honky Tonk man was originally a fan favorite and got the same reaction. Why because fans knew he was a fraud. Music fans are passionate. When they tried to push the Rappers against the West Texas Rednecks ... fans cheered the REDNECKS and booed the rappers. The fan base is not the same.

Do you know anything about Cena?He defeated Triple H in WrestleMania 22 with the skilled STFU.And also,rap is the best.Everybody likes John Cena,and he's my favourite wrestler.

LOL he is a joke and his lame rap lyrics reveal him. He is just another guy who went to wrestling school. He has little natural athletic ability and does not looke fluid. The shameful part is Vince's ego won't let him walk away from this failed experiement. Trust me in 10 years the WWE will regret CENA much like they regret the Warrior. He is a FAILED champion.

no,he is the best champ.evrybody likes him,the stfu is the deadly submission,it forces billions of people to tap out. ps.noone likes u hu was just talking top of this reply. user:dark-hooded smoker

I am changing the name of 'Fan Reaction' back to 'Fan Backlash' as the whole purpose of that section is to suggest that Cena, as a face, was not supposed to garner such ambivalence from the audience. Otherwise, there would be 'Fan Reactions' on other wrestlers' biographies. Also the 'Fan Backlash' section needs to be reasons for the dissent with examples not a progression of the descent which is already present in his career section.--Jack of Blades 17:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

He was my favorite wrestler as a heel. Now his name as a face should be "Stone Clone".

In my opinion Cena IS the least talented champ i've seen since Stephanie held the Women's Title.WWE has smartened up with giving the title to EDGE though.People hate Cena for many reasons, to try and give 1 would be crazy. For an example i'll list my reasons for disliking the poor guy.#1 Poor in-ring skills. #2Promos are starting to get lame.(you can tell that he talks just to make people side with him,and no one likes a kiss up)#3You know how all his matches will end as soon as u see him. (FIVE MOVES OF DOOM!!!!)74.226.96.156 17:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)Da_Game901

The Deal with John Cena's Myspace

His Myspace page was removed because reports say that it was either hacked and removed or just plain removed by the people who were running it. A kid immediately took up the name so that it would not be a page for IWC members to turn it into a bash-fest against Cena. The page on Myspace now is ran by the kid, not WWE.
The kid said that he'll hand over the page to WWE if and when they want it back. Blacklist 22:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

http://www.myspace.com/johncenasspace It was originally run by the WWE though?(Halbared 09:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

it is back to being run by him/wwe now. wwe did run the things like adding friends, but john posted all blogs. (he said that on 5 questions)Katie 13:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

guess what, it's gone again...apparently someone posted Porn on the blog, or hacked into again. Now it's run by some Anti-Cena guy. John Cena123. 3 July 2006 (I have no idea how to sign this thing)

And NOW it's run by that kid again. Not an ECW page.
Man, does MySpace change like this EVERY day? Blacklist 20:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

New protection

Maybe it's time to protect the article again. Vandalism goes on numerous times a day, and it's only getting worse. --Antrophica 20:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Please see the conversation on the top of this talk page and feel free to chime in there; I would like to keep Freak and Splash informed if possible. Maybe with your support and comments they will reconsider. --Naha|^(talk) 21:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. The IWC/"Haters" will only continue to vandalize the page until Cena loses the title. --Blacklist 00:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

...Well it sure beats the "Apologists"/Cena supporters from keeping some things in the dark and denying it's not JUST IWC haters that despise Cena anymore Dr. R.K.Z.

Bad edits, vandalism, and constant nonsense added to this and other wrestling articles are not the fault of any one particular type of fan, rather they are widespread. --Naha|^(talk) 05:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I finally found an admin who belongs to WikiProject Professional wrestling - Lbmixpro. I left a message on his talk page to check out this conversation. Thanks, --Naha|^(talk) 01:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Due to lack of response to my comments on this admin's user page, I commented again on the situation. If they continue to not respond, I guess I'll try to find someone else. --Naha|^(talk) 12:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Err, I just found out they are kind of on wiki-break. Oops. I've now posted on the Admin Notice Board for an admin familiar with Pro Wrestling or at least WWE to contact me. --Naha|^(talk) 01:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, i agr with Naha. There's a lot of vandalism with this article. I may not be a fan of Cena, but at least i respect him. Someone should lock up this thing now.--DBK1 22:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

About darn time, wouldn't you say? --Antrophica 01:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Conspiracy Theory

Has anyone else noticed that John Cena seems to be getting more and more buffed, while his opponents like Edge and HHH when they face him look less buff than usual. HHH looked like he put on weight when he fought Cena and when Edge has fought Cena he looks like he's lost weight. Is this to make Cena look better by comparison?

All I am asking for

I am not asking that you say Cena is the worst wrestler ever and state it as a fact I am simply requesting that you don't make it a one sided page. Just let it be known that there are fans who think he is a very poor wrestler I can link you to sites where it is freaquantly talked about. There are hundreds of people who don't like Cena for his ring work they deserve to at least be acknoledged. I have never once vandilaized his page I have been nice and simply showed another side you could at least show consideration in that matter.

Just asking for a line like "Some fans believe that John Cena has a poor work rate" or is not a skilled wrestler. All you have to do is add some fans in front of it and it is simply showing that there is another side. It seems very biased to simply say that he is only disliked because people are tired of him. That is an insult to all the fans who watch wrestler because they like to watch a match and not for the entertainment.--66.75.215.145 18:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

But all your points have already been covered. If you're requesting emphasis on it, then it can't be done. That would be biased. --Antrophica 21:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

In reality it would be getting rid of the current bias. In the fan backlash you make a point of avoiding the fact that fans think he is untalented. There are litterally hundreds of fans that feel this way and it isn't acknoledged at all. You simply blame it on the fact that he has been champ for along time I have mentioned what you article says and how you ignore two things one that Cena is viewed as untalented and the other is the fact that you refuse to refer to it as five moves of doom even though it is the popular term. Six moves of doom is somthing one person thought of to improve their wrestlers standing and a few people with little knoledge of the industry saw this and thought that was the term. That is the only reason it is catching on. The wrestling section on this sight has become a joke in fact every one I have mentioned this to is now laughing at this site.

For supposedly being an unbiased site you sure arn't showing it well.--66.75.215.145 09:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you and your friends dislike Cena too passionately. --Antrophica 10:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I hear the boos directed towards Cena on RAW so yes I know there is a fan backlash. What I CAN'T hear is WHY they are booing him, therefore a statement saying the backlash is because fans think he is untalented is speculation that can't be confirmed so it shouldn't be added to this page. Night Bringer 11:54, May 3rd (GTM +10)

There are plenty of reliable sources for the fact that John Cena is being poorly received by the fans. Anyone who watches RAW can tell you that, not to mention WWE has acknowledged it in many ways on their website, etc. What you don't seem to understand is that there is currently not a reliable source for information as to why he is getting booed, and why people don't like him. I urge you, and everyone really, to read the reliable source link in order to understand Wikipedia's policy on inclusion in terms of reliability. After reading, you should understand why this information can not yet be included - its not a case of bias, its a case of there not being a good source. Basically, "everyone on my message board said he sucks because of reasons x, y, z" doesn't count, and neither does a conversation beteween you and your friends, sorry.--Naha|^(talk) 16:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

ROFL so you are telling me that actual people knowing for a fact why they don't like him is a reliable source? I am not saying make this the only reason just that it is one of the reasons it is a simple fact that there are people who don't like him for this reason thats why it should be included. We arn't talking about a moment in history we are talking about how people feel about somthing so what is a better source then actual people saying how they feel ? I don't hate Cena to passionatly I hate when people ignore the facts. It is an undeniable fact that there are people who don't like Cena for his lack of in ring ability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.215.145 (talk • contribs)

Personally, I think the whole issue of Cena lacking in-ring ability is a case of the old bandwagon trip propelled by Cena himself when he "admitted" his technical shortcomings, as part of kayfabe. But that's beside the point. Anyhow, this isn't an argument about sourcing, since what's perceived to be Cena's in-ring inability has already been covered in the "Fan backlash" section, as I've already mentioned two posts ago, causing me to wonder just what it'll take for you to stop beating this dead horse, 66.75.215.145. --Antrophica 18:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh, no Mr. 66.75.215.145, I'm telling you its NOT a reliable source. Anyone can say anything. If WWE.com or RAW Magazine had a story saying "fans don't like Cena due to his in-ring ability", we could reliably source that particular comment. If Cena stated in an interview or on an episode of RAW something to the tune of "people are telling me I have no in-ring ability..." we could reliably source that particular comment. If Vince McMahon made a smiliar comment, we could source it. As far as "talking about how people feel" you are again, missing the boat. Some people "feel" that "Cena is the sexiest man alive", other people "feel" that "Cena wears cool t-shirts." (both comments that have been removed from the article in the past). We don't just randomly add comments about how random people feel, or the article would be incredibly long and unencyclopedic. So, in this way, yes, it is partially an argument of sourcing. --Naha|^(talk) 20:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Unless you just now posted something about it the mention of Cena being precived as a bad wrestler has never been in here for more then 5 minutes. I can tell you that I have never thought Cena was a talented wrestler long before Cena ever mad mention of it. It is more likely that Cena said anything about his ability because there were alot of fans already saying it long before he made mention of it. Either way I will just drop this it is obvious that you don't care one bit. About getting this right I mean you guys won't even accept when you are wrong about the terms you use so of course you won't accept this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.215.145 (talk • contribs)

Again, this article does deal, to a lesser extent, with Cena's perceived lack of in-ring ability, but it cannot delve deeper because of statements exchanged between Cena and Triple H under kayfabe. Not without sounding biased. Throwing a tantrum and leaving in a huff despite being treated with patience and amiability is not a good way to be taken seriously. If you truly want to contribute constructively to this article, you start by putting aside your personal preferences and learn the concept of neutrality.

Additionally, the term, "Six Moves of Doom" is not an endorsement of the term, but a means of describing Cena's sequential moveset with fewer complications. It does not bolster his status, it does not make him appear to be a better wrestler, because it is derogatory. --Antrophica 19:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The article covers the issue well and in a neutral fashion, and the information hass been there for well over a month. --Naha|^(talk) 20:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I really do not see why it should be emphasized more that a part of the IWC thinks Cena is a limited wrestler. Heck, why don't I ever here them complain about Batista for example? Apart from that, it really isn't relevant to state the opinion of a part of the IWC about a wrestler. Or is it the intention to start adding that to all wreslers' profiles?

The IWC just seem to pick on Cena more than anyone else, which is a notable fact. And it's pointless to keep argueing over it. What's been said has been said. Blacklist 03:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

One little note about the IWC favouring Batista: Batista's character is more entrenched in wrestling, he only cares about wrestling, most of his success came from the storylines involving his break up with a wrestling-related stable and making a name for himself independently from Triple H. Wrestling-based storylines are more appreciated than manufcatured corporate champions that appeal to the teen demographic. The fact Cena is getting booed now by the majority proves everyone bar females and the youth are fed up with the coprorate nature of Cena's limited character and Vince's attempts to broaden his appeal beyond what the audience loves. Wrestling.

-Dr. R.K.Z

What exactly is it about Cena's wrestling style that people don't like? I see him as a typical brawler. Didn't Stone Cold Steve Austin have a similar style? As far as him being "clumsy" during his ring entrance and when he strikes, im sure it's an intended exaggeration. --Killakane24 12:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Austin had charisma, plus, he put on some really great matches in his earlier (mostly pre-"Stone Cold", ironically) years. Cena is yet to even be part of a great match, yet alone actively contribute to it.

I musst apologize early for saying this, so, I'm sorry. To all of you out there that go on and on and on about how much a particular wrestler "sucks" or lacks in ring ability, i have to let you in on a little secret, the creative team at WWE puts a limit on what each wrestler is allowed to do in the ring. This means that for the likes of the cruiserweights, they can't perform a move that you would find a superweight using. eg. a chokeslam (even though with the help of their opponent, they are very capable of it). When Cena was in XPW as when he first arrived in WWE he had a moveset that was not as limited as it is now. It's time to miove on from blaming the individual wrestlers for their in-ring ability, if they had none, they would'nt be at the top of the promotion.

Think about it.

-howdyalikemenow?

User:Gene_Snitsky

If you're going to consistently blank out a portion of the article, at least take it upon yourself to give an explanation. --Antrophica 09:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't Snitsky's fault. ;-D DG X 01:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Says you. He did it again. Someone should leave him a note on his talk page. Blacklist 05:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Lol, my above statement was a joke. I was refering to Gene Snitsky's real life quote "It wasn't my fault". But regardless, I left him a note on his talk page. DG X 22:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Taking Something Out

"Lately, Jonh Cena has been acting more like a tweener than a face, by constantly swearing and acting more violent by slapping Triple H."

1. It's John, not Jonh. 2. He hasn't been acting like a tweener, he's doing the same old shtick 3. Constantly swearing? Please 4. He's a wrestler. "Slapping Triple H" doesn't make him seem like a more violent person.

69.251.243.110 22:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)Brendan

1. It's most likely a spelling mistake ;-)

2. He has been acting more violently in-ring, but his promos are mostly the same.

3. He has not been swearing more often as of late.

4. It (is supposed to) makes him seem more agressive.

Blacklist 05:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

B-2/B²

Should we include the brief teaming with Bull Buchanan (used as an enforcer) from 2002? ViperBite 21:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I think we ought to. It wasn't that brief. A couple of months, at least. --Antrophica 22:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Fake Cheers

Does anyone else but me think that the John Cena Cheers are fake at least on the entrance, I hear the same girl screem in the background the same way everytime he comes out and when he wins the match.

All girl's screams are kinda the same. And I doubt the WWE picked up WCW's sound juicing talents when they bought them. Blacklist 23:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

lol your probly right maybe I was just amazed to hear Cena get cheered.... finnally

Wouldn't surprise me if the cheers were fake.

WWE has used this for Cena on occasion, at the Royal Rumble they even spliced in old crowd shots(you could see some old signs). TJ Spyke 22:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Really? I'd like to see some proof. Blacklist 03:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

All you need do is look up an old WWE tape with the footage, then watch the Rumble. Not sure which one it was, but it's been used before during edited versions of RAW seen on After-Burn also.

The Cena chants on the DVD of Wrestlemania 22 are DEFINATLY piped in.

-Dr. R.K.Z

can't fake cheers on the ECW One Night Stand DVD release but, watch them try

Same thing happened with the released version of Wrestlemania 18. Cheers for The Rock were added in.

Like Blacklist i'd like to see some proof! Although it is likely (Fr3nZi3 02:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC))

The WWE has been known to do this sort of thing though, --Freshko 11:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

First World Title Shot and PPV Main Event

I believe that there should at least be a mention of Cena winning a #1 Contenders Tournament in April 2003, with him facing, and losing to, WWE Champion Brock Lesnar at Backlash 2003. I consider it a significant part of his career.

WAAAY TO LONG

we need to shorten the article,what should we cut out?Typoqueen 00:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Obviously we need to end the week by week recaps.

I think someone should simply paraphrase the events of 2005 and 2006, and if it looks good, we keep it. Mshake3 02:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

i put 2004,2005,and 2006 together and its still 34 kilobites.Typoqueen 16:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

A lot of late 05 can be condensed into a single paragraph regarding a feud with Kurt Angle. Also, I think that Cena's FU to Bischoff when he was fired is completely irrevelent. 71.201.59.253 15:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

dude,wat do u need to shorten?hu r u talking to?huh?user:dark-hooded smoker

John Cena Mediation

Hi, I am mediating the John Cena dispute. Please feel free to participate in the mediation, and I encourage you to do so. Thanks - BrownHornet21 02:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

We've reached a compromise in the John Cena mediation. The compromise is:

1. In the Personal section, insert a short statement - "Cena also loves to watch cartoons" or some other language everyone can agree on.

2. Let's keep the specific channels he watches off for now, as the assertion that Cena watches them doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. BUT, in the future, should they influence his work in the ring (e.g., he starts yelling out "this spinebuster's for you, Scooby Doo!") or in the recording studio (e.g., records a song about Kim Possible) or he launches into a new career doing voice work for cartoons (and he says watching certain channels influenced him to do it), then it would make sense to think about including such references somewhere in his biography.

3. Let's keep the Dave The Barbarian reference off for now, unless he actually makes an appearance on that show. At that time, it would make sense to then include the reference in his biography.

BrownHornet21 22:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal info section

Is any of it notable enough to be in this article? --J Fred 03:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think any of it is. Should be deleted.(Halbared 09:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC))

I believe it is. And all those bits of information (not just the bits I submitted but the information about the video games and him living in Tampa) should be put back.(DaffyDuck619)

It kind of hit me as a "oh for real I didn't know that, thats cool" so I think it should stay I would like to know thing like that. Shouldn't that be under like hobbies or personal life or intrests or something. seems interesting to know if your a fan.

They are not notable and unencyclopedic, even if they fall under a "oh that's interesting" they have no relavence to the article at hand. --- Lid 06:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes they do it's interesting and notable facts about the man who the article is about. User (DaffyDuck619)

No more "Six Moves of Doom"?

Can somebody tell me why the Six Moves of Doom section was taken out? Admittedly, he's using them less and less now, but it's still an important part of his "history" and is still discussed in most wrestling communities to this day.fuck da crips john cena says.

Correction: It is discussed in most internet wrestling communities. Personally, I don't see why it should be removed, but I can see it being removed since it is not a term used backstage by WWE, but instead by IWC members/fans. Blacklist 02:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

REAL Correction: It was acknowledged within kayfabe as HHH "caught out" Cena during the "Six Moves of Doom" sequence.

No. The WWE has never said acknowledged on their programming that the Six Moves of Doom exist. Neither have I seen it referenced in any news articles stemming from the WWE. Even though Hunter acknowledged the moves, they are never seen nor spoken of outside of the WWE, and mostly (and probably only) inside of Internet wrestling forums. Blacklist 04:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Of course the WWE isn't going to formally acknowledge them, that would break kayfabe. And Rob Van Dam + Sabu have also exploited the predictability of Cena's "combo" in their own matches.

Still, the WWE does not acknowledge them as "The Moves of Doom." Leave it at that. Blacklist 17:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

SO!!! WWE doesn't acknowledge as not being a deadman but everyone knows that he isn't! Just because WWE or Vince says something aint true doens't mean it's so.

The Six Moves Of Doom will go back up as soon as the topic unlocked.

No written/visual noted proof means no going back up. This was argued over before. Unless the real page moderators (Naha and Antrophica) say otherwise. But I haven't heard from them in a while, so good luck. And yes, they have said the term "Deadman" for The Undertaker on TV (at least, I think that's what you mean). And look near the top of this page. This was argued about already, and it looks a helluva lot like it wasn't suppossed to be there in the first place. Blacklist 07:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Just because WWE says something (or doesnt) doesnt make it so. He does use them and several forums acknowledge them...

Forums are not qualified sources of information. And when have you heard him talk about it himself? Blacklist 03:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes they are! It proves that there are 6 Moves Of Doom, especially if they are seen using the term!!! Also, just because he doesn't talk about it, doesn't mean it isn't so. The army never talks about Marines missions but that doesn't mean they don't take place.

I dont think it is needed. --Mikedk9109 19:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

The bottom line is: this is an encyclopedia. Not a place for fan speculation/rumors/sayings. Unless there is SOLID and VERIFIABLE proof in writing by WWE staff, or shown on WWE television, this does NOT go in. Fan forums are hardly places to find real and true wrestling info. Blacklist 07:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It isn't a rumor. People use the phrase. WWE Staff always censor things they do not like. I would have thought that you would have known that. This DOES and WILL go back in once the topic has been unlocked. And it has been shown on TV, posters for example. But now WWE security rip them apart if they see them. LOL.

For the last... fucking... time... It does NOT go in without proper citations. Yeah people use it. BUT, there is no proof that it is nothing more but a derrogitory smark term created by a one-sided Canadian wrestling reviewer.

As for the whole sign deal, the WWE has the right no not allow anyone or anything in their arenas. That incudes signs. Blacklist 03:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

SO you admit that it is a commonly used phrased then? And you admit that just because WWE doesn't show it doesn't mean it's not true. So if I can get three citations it will go up there then? BEcause obviously the people wh use this phrase are critical of him. That's the point behind the six moves of doom. They are in criticism over him. I'll find the three and as soon as this is unlocked it will go back up. The only reason why you don't want it to go up is because your a fan so you want the article to be in favour of the fans, not the truth. The article goes up. End. Of. Story.

Oh and I'm pretty sure that they don't have the right. I know that for a fact.

Why not get an account and grow up? And no, it's not "End. Of. Story." The "Six Moves Of Doom" are derrogitory and unproven. I've seen them, yeah. But this doesn't require an article. Bret Hart had "Five Moves of Doom." Why isn't there a part about that in his article? Because it is NOT NEEDED. As for you, you are looking to make this article, like most of the other anonymous posters, a negative article. Wikipedia is an unbiased encyclopedia. You get your three sources that are not forums, but legit news articles, then get back to me. Blacklist 02:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I have an account, I just can't be bothered to go through all the hell of typing out the time, date and my name specifically eveytime I'm on here. The six moves of doom are proven, it's done every match he has competed in consistantly for over a year. Maybe even longer. Hart didn't have five moves of Doom. That theory was coined together by Cena fans who couldn't take the fact that Cena has them, so they take the best wrestler of all time and try to make him look worse than Cena. It is needed in the Cena section, just like the Fan Backlash is. My three sources will be from both news articles and forums and will stick to the term when the article is unlocked. And you wanna know why? Because if someone uses them, then its a fact. It's not unbiased. It's evidence.

Whatever. The IWC isn't the majority here. This is an encyclopedia. Not a place to site every little bit about him. Just the needed essentials to fill page space about a wrestler (which, in the case of this page, is WAY past the limit). And yeah. Hart SO did have Five Moves of Doom. Watch his matches. It was where the term was coined by fans like you. Blacklist 03:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Umm, Hart didn't have fives moves of doom or anything like that. Summerslam 92'? Wrestlemania X? No, no, no. The IWC wouldn't say he's one of the greats if he was just the same as John Cena... The only person of Hart's era to have use any sort of moves of doom was Ultimate Warrior. I don't know how you could confuse it.

Yeah, he did. For the last time, watch some of his matches. Some good examples are in his DVD set. Blacklist 00:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

They've shorta stopped Cena using the whole move sequence cause lately he keeps getting caught out at 'Five Kuckle Shuffle'. But while they have kinda ackowledged the predictablity of the set they've never used the term 'Five/Six Moves of Doom' so there's no need for it. Night Bringer 13:36, 31st July 2006 (GMT +10)

It's needed on the Fan Backlash part.

I'm going to say something that'll shock most of you anti-Cena fans. Nearly EVERY face wrestler has their own "five moves of doom". That's because it's their comeback sequence, which is a common occurance in face vs. heel wrestling matches. Triple H has it. Eddie Guerrero had it. Steve Austin had it. The fact that basically all face wrestlers have a set comeback sequence means that it shouldn't be included. Besides, "Six Moves of Doom" is so sarcastic sounding. Mshake3 18:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

LMAO. Your guys are so fickle. No1 has the five moves of doom aside from Cena and Warrior. Do you actually know what the moves of doom actually mean? It's not about a persons signature moves or some little comeback whatever. The moves of doom is an expression to describe and mock what a certain professional wrestler does every match. That means that the person in question is so predictable, that the person has a sequence of moves in an exact order which tells people about the match. Triple H may only have 3 signature moves, but he uses far more other unrecognisable moves in the ring. Cena doesn't. He just uses the same 6 moves to 'overcome the odds.' every time. Ultimate Warrior was recognised for doing it and you can see it in the ring. Cena is the same. Other wrestlers have signature moves but they do other moves and spots beside it. Guerrero didn't have moves of doom. Trips didnt. Hart didnt. Steve austin didnt. Don't try to be an intelligent wrestling fan because you know little about the business. Your excusing Cena's predictable and lack of wrestling ability to other wrestlers when it simplay isnt true for those other wrestlers.

I'm not excusing Cena. If anything, I'm complaining about the others. For Austin, it's always Lou Thez Press, elbow drop, and Stunner. For Guerrero, it was always the Three Amigos (that itself is repetitive), Viva La Raza dance, and the frog splash. With Trips, facebuster, high knee, knee drop, and the pedigree. And it's not even with the comback sequence. If a diva is sitting on the top turnbuckle, you know Trish is going to do her Hurricarana. If someone attempted a monkey flip on Eddie, he'd always do a complete 360 flip. And of course, if you try to powerbomb Kidman, he'll hit a facebuster. The point is, at certain points in a match, just about everyone is predictable. And that's a fact. 71.201.59.253 03:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that those were austins, guerreros and Trips signature moves but theres no way that they can be considered as 'moves of doom.' They weren't done in a same order and their matches didnt consist of just signature moves like in cena's matches. That's where 'moves of doom' come from. They ironically portray the fact that the wrestler in question only uses his signature moves in relative quick fashion to win a match. Moves of doom mocks this because they always seems to end a match so must be doomful. Austin didnt just use those moves. I point to his KOTR final match, SS 2001, WrestlemaniaX7, X8 and many, many others. Cena & Warrior are the only ones who have them.

Re-Lock?

I see the article was locked once before, but can we go ahead and re-lock it? It seems like every 10 minutes some anon user is inserting some nonsense which another anon user removes and adds their own until someone else reverts it all back to normal. Bdve 06:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

fortunatley it has been locked again.i concur that it is utterly ridiculous however.67.185.26.89 04:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I can not believe how often this page has to be locked. Bdve 15:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

we need to make it so we don t have to lock it every week.

And this can only be done if unregistered users grow up and stop vandalizing. Blacklist 07:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Chain Gang Symbol

In the section where it talks about the creation or what have you of the Chain Gang Symbol, should it not be mentioned that the symbol is at least HEAVILY stolen from the G-Unit symbol? Just curious - Hypnotized

done - Bdve 12:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

The symbol does look a lot like the G-Unit clothing symbol! if I was 50 I would sue! (Fr3nZi3 07:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC))

Plus he had the tony yayo hand thing which he called "u can't see me" move.

Kabal

A singer called kabal did his own version of the time is now called your time is up. go to www.myspace.com/kabal to hear his song and go to his blog to see what he had to say about John Cena.

Yeah. Not notable. Just more anti-Cena stuff. Blacklist 18:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

 Yeah but there isnt an article about the singer, kabal, could u
 find out something about him and create an article. theres some   
 info on his myspace profile.

Whoever this "Kabal" is he doesn't seem notable enough for an article. - Bdve 18:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Only to pro-Cena apologists is he not noticable, the song has become a cult internet track and has contributed largley to more people turning against Cena. Kabal cuts a better rap than Cena has done in years. He does'nt deserve an independent article, but he deserves a mention here, maybe in a "cultural reference" section of Cena's profile Dr. R.K.Z

Week-by-Week

I understand not wanting a running commentary on Cena's doings every week, but surely a WWE Championship match, not to mention the blow-off to his fued with ECW, is pretty damn notable? Why does this keep getting deleted?

Because they're not notable.Bdve 17:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes they are.

Good point. Bdve 17:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

As opposed to your thorough answer to my query?

Any random match is not notable. He did not win the title, it doesn't matter. If we mentioned every title defense anyone gets pages would be longer than they are now. His "feud with ECW", even if it's over, is hardly worth mentioning as it is (just another feud to fill another month for another pay per view), nothing came of it and the majority of that section should probably be excised, which I was going to do but decided not to since any time something gets taken out of this article it gets put right back in. Bdve 17:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Random matches are not notable, but title matches are. Most pages do have title shots mentioned in the article. This match was more notable then his match with Sabu, which gets a paragraph to itself, while a sentence about this match is apparantly too much, despite the mention of a similar title match immediately preceding it.

As I just said, the Sabu match should be gone too. The title match loss is just not notable. Bdve 18:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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{{User supermike} Should't John cena win at Saturday Night main event be up (supermike)

I think we should put in more on Cena vs. HHH at Wrestlemania 22 i no u guys want to take some out but this is Wrestlemania for crying out loud David57437

F-U and STF-U

Is it worth noting that F-U stands for according to Cena: "F**k you" and STF-U stands for "Shut The F**k Up"?? --Fr3nZi3 18:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Though I don't think it's ever been said on WWE TV. Bdve 19:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

These were discussed before, but were removed because it's pointless, really. Plus yeah, the general rule is that if it's not talked about on TV, then it doesn't go in unless it's got written proof somewhere. Blacklist 07:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

But I heard about the Five moves of Doom on RAW! and on Five Questions with the ex-Champ! --Fr3nZi3 20:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

When? Blacklist 03:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

yeah fr3nzi3,i agree because both my brothers say that it is f*ck up or shut the f*ck up.i think the reason why john cena calls it the fu and stfu is because to show his opponent how skilled he is and he is the most skilled and best wrestler ever user:dark-hooded smoker

Week by Week

Why shouldn't we add a week by week synopsis of John Cena's events, that way, many wrestling fans will turn to wikipedia to find out.

WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A NEWS SITE BUT AN ONLINE ENCYCLOPEDIA. Please see the articles "Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not" and "Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles" for more information. Bdve 19:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

But because Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia it should note everything including news. --Fr3nZi3 20:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

But because Wikipedia is now an up to date news site it is generally thought to be a good idea not to. There are two main reasons the project has decided against it, as far as I can see (and I am not speaking on behalf of the group).

It gets unweidly. Articles, especially articles for main eventers (John Cena, Triple H, The Big Show) and especially while they're in main event level feuds, get long and unweidly. Check back on the history of some articles, or even the Beth Phoenix, which I personally cleaned out outcomes of every match on, entry and you can see how hard it can be to read some of these things and how, in the long run (or even in the short term sometimes) week by week matches and goings on become non notable.
It all becomes cruft. Given the nature of the Pro Wrestling business and the activities of a two hour show we can see John Cena involved in at least one match and three seperate segments on any given night. Adding all of those things, again, makes it unweildy and long. Plus when those things get added it tends to cause other editors to come back in and change it to put a different spin on it, which can result in edit wars that make further editing to the page when something does happen worth noting near impossible. Where one person sees John Cena and Edges match at SNME as boring with a predictable outcome someone else may have been on the edge of their seat until Lita caused the DQ. You don't even see this kind of information on (well written) TV show articles.

All that said, there are many hundreds of websites filled with week by week recaps and reviews of shows which completley detail everything that happened on a given show and it's not hard to find that kind of information.Bdve 20:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Reality VS Kayfabe

Here's what I think, Wikipedia is an encylopedia. Encylopedias are used to give a generality in an UN-BIAS sence. Stuff on [["WWE.com"]] is kayfabe or all scripted. There are some people out there that still think wrestling is real. I for one, know that is it nothing but a male soap-opera. Half of the time I laugh at what they do on-screen because it's not true. We can have a kayfade section on the article whick refers to [["WWE.com"]] but seperate the storylines from the actuallity.

a few things.first,please sign your comments with four tildes.on talk pages.it is basic wikipedia ettiquite.second,how is wrestling a 'male' 'soap' 'opera' when:women watch and do it,it has nothing to do with soap,and they dont sing opera?third,wrestlingf might not be 'real' but its not 'fake'.pre-determined would be a more correct term,as the thumbtacks & things they user ARE real and fake is an unfaur word as it un-glorifies it.fourth,sometimes the kayfabe/fiction is important to the article.this is the case with this article.SNAPE KILLS A FLY HAHAHAH PWNED! 05:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

SNME

I saw the funniest thing @ SNME when Edge and Cena were exchanging blows, each time Cena would punch the fans would shout "BOOO!" and point their thumbs downward, while when Edge hit the fans scream "YRREEAGHHH" and give him a thumbs up. You could clearly see an over-enthusiatic guy in the middle of the crowd doing this thing and I laughed when I saw that. Have a nice night Abu!

This isn't a forum. This is for discussion about the article. Although, this could be mentioned in the Fan Backlash section. Blacklist 02:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Why is the most recent addition to 2006 on this page something that happened over a month ago? Have a nice night Abu!

The page is too big, and it needs shortening. So, we're keeping the 2006 updates down to only title matches/changes. Blacklist 06:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Ic. If you wanna shorten it why not take out insignificant details from previous years? And why not take some details out of fan backlash. I think we can still get the idea by only describing the limited moveset, champ too long, no more freestyling details. Have a nice night Abu!

nobody evn likes edge,infact everybody hates him that he'll get screwed,and cena owns,but damn lita pulled the referee out of the pin after cena fu-ed him.if i was the chairman of wwe,then i would fire edge and lita permanently by saying "edge and lita,im sorry.you can no longer be on tv ever again and you are fired permanently"

user:dark-hooded smoker

Thanks for your opinion, sorry to say that no-one cares, seeing as this is talk page not a forum, save it for PW Cheers, Dubbya9 21:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge "Fan backlash" section

The fan backlash section should be merged into the career section - it's getting a little large and needs more context. --Jtalledo (talk) 20:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC) Does any oen else think we should add the link to the anti cena site i mena it not fare keep adding ti and it get delted

There are enough fan sites already listed, fan or anti-fan. Wikipedia is not a link repository. Blacklist 06:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

too pro cena

some facts are to pro cena, and i say that because it is not fact. John Cena was cheered at ONS?

Edge was booed at NYR??? I saw the match on vidilife.com and the fans were NOT booing Edge. Have a nice night Abu!

Fans cheer Edge wherever he goes. People just like him. Just like people like John Cena. --Mikedk9109 14:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

John cena Music career

He should have discography headline in this article and music career because didn't his albums sold 500,000 copies and made about 40,000 in the first week and he was featured on mtv.com with method man and also featured on bet(black entertainment television) 106 and park twice once with booker t and by himself to promote his album and which also freestyled on there too so he should have a bigger music headline with discography.

One album is not enough for a Discography section.Bdve 17:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Summerslam I was looking at cena porfile on WWE.com and it say he facing edge at summerslam

Fight!!!

Who would win in these matches? John Cena vs Jeff Hardy; John Cena vs HBK; John Cena vs Brock Lesnar.

This isn't a forum 17:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Self-contradiction

I haven't read most of this article, I've only seen a very small amount of it; but I saw two hidden comments next to each other; and they both contradict each other. The sections I'm concerned about are emboldened.

Please do not re-add the "Fan backlash" or "Fan reaction" section. It has been incorporated into the body of the article.
DO NOT ADD WEEK BY WEEK EVENTS, RUMOURS OR SPECULATION. THIS INCLUDES ANNOUNCED MATCHES THAT HAVE NOT YET OCCURRED. WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A NEWS SITE BUT AN ONLINE ENCYCLOPAEDIA. DO NOT ALSO EDIT OUT THE FAN BACKLASH SECTION,THAT IS VANDALISIM OF ARTICLE. Please see the articles "Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not" and "Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles" for more information.

Assuming I'm correct, the emboldened sections give conflicting advice; one says not to add a section back to the article, another says not to remove it? Which is correct, and what's to be done about this? --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 06:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone obviously added the bit about not editing out that section. I'll correct it. --Jtalledo (talk) 09:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Debut

john cena's debut has been at 2002!!!

D-Generation-X 17:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

His WWE Debut may be in 2002, but his pro debut was at the tail end of 2000 or start of 2001, hence his holding an OVW title in 2001. There is life outside of VinceCo. -- Bdve 18:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

ovw its just a training lig....and wwe its wrestling lig so hes debut has been at 2002...soryy about my english i from israel and i speak hebrew and i dont know how speak english good.. back to john cena...hes debut match has been aganst kurt angle at 6/28/2002 so please write june 28, 2002.check out john cena in hebrew(עברית)and see the debut of cena has been at 2002.

D-Generation-X 18:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

No, his debut was not against Kurt Angle in 2002. "Debut" refers to a professional debut anywhere in any league. -- Bdve 19:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

i mean to this: the debut of john cena in wwe was at 2002 against kurt angle and dont say no i see cena's debut and the date was:6/28/02 at chicago il(whers wrestlemania 22 was)

D-Generation-X 12:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Look, guy, it's obvious you're just not paying attention to what I'm saying to you. The "debut" area of the statbox DOES NOT refer to his (or anyone elses) WWE debut. It means, simply, their professional debut anywhere. Stop changing it. - Bdve 18:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

What your not getting is that he is saying that, technically, OVW is not pro. OVW is the little league. His official pro debut was 2002 against Kurt Angle. Killswitch Engage

How is OVW not pro? It's not national, but it is pro.Bdve 13:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Bdve. OVW is pro. Its like being in minor league baseball your still pro just not well known. --Mikedk9109 17:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

No, the minor league of any sport is not pro. Look at say...skateboarding for example. Until you prove yourself, you are an amatuer skater. Thats the same with wrestling and all other sports.Killswitch Engage

Pro wrestling is not any other sport. Territorial pro wrestling leagues are not the same thing as "minor leagues", they're just smaller pro leagues.Bdve 20:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Just make the title more specific. All it says is Debut. For example, many MLB Players list their MLB debuts. Make it clear what it's suppost to represent. Mshake3 03:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Why? It's completley obvious what it means, especially if you read the article and see that it begins with his OVW stuff. - Bdve 05:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Good point. 71.201.59.253 21:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Here OVW was a memeber of NWA (WWE was at one point but it was WWWF at that time and it was still considered pro) but then it became part of the WWE as a starter for the young athletes so really its a pro westling promotion just its owned by the WWE David57437

Overagressive editing

There is no reason at all that start of the Edge feud can't be added to the bottom of 2006. I'm all for keeping the page short, but enough people have expressed concern and enough time has passed since it started to make it notable. Especially if you're going to add the latest (worked) "update" from WWE.com to hype raw tonight. Stop taking it out. Bdve 23:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

It can be there but whenever someone puts it in there they have to go into excessive detail. They tell every little detail about how Edge wins his matches and who knocks out the referee and how Lita interferes etc. Then it adds up and makes the article longer. It can be there but just a short summary. --Mikedk9109 23:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Which it was, many times. Half a paragraph about how it started (Edge won the title) and the basis of it (Edge cheats to keep the title, thus the SummerSlam match). If anything is non notable and exceissive it's the commercial for an angle on tonight's RAW. Unless this thing turns into "Pullman's Got A Gun II" it's just another week of the feud. I'm putting my last edit back. Bdve 23:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I had to remove the last sentence because future matches (SummerSlam match) ar not to be noted. --Mikedk9109 23:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem there, and really if I was thinking straight I wouldn't have added it myself. Bdve 01:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Requested article lock

Can we please lock this again because once you guys unlocked the article ppl messed it up again (On the 8/14 episode of raw, John Cena's father was slapped silly by the clearly superior Edge.) ssjbooger

Could someone set the page back i accidentaly blanked it sorry.

That's just a dumb vandal-edit. And it's been a while since the customary bi-weekly lock. Blacklist 04:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Life before Wrestling?

Anyone have any info on Cena's life before entering wrestling? In a wrestling school documentary on TV a while back, it showed Cena when he first join a wrestling school and follows him and some other amature wrestlers as they progress only to end with Cena and a couple of others to be picked up by WWF. In one scene, Cena talks about how he use to get picked on a lot in school for being a loser and dork before he began weight lifting. Sounds too cliche to me though....