Talk:Jim Gannon

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Date	Process	Result
March 15, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

Nationality[edit]

The article states that he was born in Southwark, South London, the infobox says Dublin. Checking with soccerbase, puts his pob as Southwark and his nationality as Ireland. So anyone care to get this straight .--Boothy443 | trácht ar 02:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I remember it saying he was "born in Southwark and of Irish parentage" in the old programmes when he was playing, so I believe this is correct. 217.207.239.245 (talk) 12:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Gannon was born in Southwark, but trust me, ask him and he is a very proud Irishman - I myself have discussed this with him. (SCFC1883) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SCFC1883 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Although born in England, he was raised in Ireland by Irish parents, started his playing career in Ireland, returned to Ireland when he finished playing, has taken Irish qualifications in an alternative career. He has no international appearances to confirm "sporting nationality", but his background seems to indicate that his place of birth is just as much a matter of temporary work arrangements of his parents as the principle by which Terry Butcher, even if he had not been an international, would not be listed as Singaporean. Kevin McE (talk) 12:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I found a nice quote from Gannon that confirms his Irishness, and I added it to his playing career section.--Echetus Xe 12:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

controversy[edit]

We should probably add some reference to Jim's many angry rants. If we don't cover it ourselves someone from another team's just going to vandalise the article to incorporate it. 217.207.239.245 (talk) 12:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is any reason for the 'outspoken nature' section. His angry rants should be incorporated into the article, and his views on 'my team should be protected by the referee' are hardly unique to him.--Echetus Xe 10:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Racism[edit]

Should there not be some reference to his racism charge? I think this is a significant thing to leave out independent article--DJNico (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should be mentioned in the playing section.--Echetus Xe 10:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Big Dom 18:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I have made a few grammatical changes myself to save time

Playing career

The main problem here is that the "Playing career" section is relatively short (compared to the Managerial section), despite the fact that he played for over 15 years. Can you expand this section?
"In 1990 he moved to Stockport County for a £40,000 fee, where he had a distinguished ten year career." This sentence just doesn't make sense, I know what it's trying to say but it needs rewording.
"In 1992 he made his first trip to Wembley, playing in the Football League Trophy final, losing 1–0 to Stoke City" - changing tense midway through a sentence is poor writing

Other points

The article says that Gannon scored in "all four English divisions". I suppose by this it means the top four divisions, but then it would not be true. As far as I can see, he never even played in the top division, so he definitely didn't score.
In the infobox, it implies that he was at Crewe on a permanent basis, but the text of the article says it was a loan.
Managerial style section could be expanded, for example say what tactics he uses, favoured formations etc.
It seems strange to use American spellings ("criticize", "utilize") in an article about a British footballer. British spelling is used throughout ("Honours", etc.) apart from words ending in "-ise" for some reason.
Sources look mostly good, but is there a more reliable source than his personal website for the Fair Play awards?

I'll leave the review on hold for a few days. Big Dom 20:53, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Playing career

The main problem here is that the "Playing career" section is relatively short (compared to the Managerial section), despite the fact that he played for over 15 years. Can you expand this section? Searched archives to add little pieces of information. All the main details are already covered.

It looks fine now. I realise that his managerial career has received more coverage than his playing days, so it's not too important that this section is a bit shorter. Big Dom 20:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"In 1990 he moved to Stockport County for a £40,000 fee, where he had a distinguished ten year career." This sentence just doesn't make sense, I know what it's trying to say but it needs rewording. Changed this to reflect new information.
"In 1992 he made his first trip to Wembley, playing in the Football League Trophy final, losing 1–0 to Stoke City" - changing tense midway through a sentence is poor writing Changed.

Other points

The article says that Gannon scored in "all four English divisions". I suppose by this it means the top four divisions, but then it would not be true. As far as I can see, he never even played in the top division, so he definitely didn't score. The information is from the sources. By four divisions they mean First Division, Second Division, Third Division, and Fourth Division. This occurred as he arrived in the bottom tier before the creation of the Premier League, and so when he reached the second tier it was renamed the First Division. Please advice.

Well, it's obviously misleading and frankly wrong, but it is cited to a reliable source and it's verifiable so by WP standards it's fine, and I certainly can't fail the article over a matter of personal preference. Big Dom 20:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the infobox, it implies that he was at Crewe on a permanent basis, but the text of the article says it was a loan. Text has been corrected.
Managerial style section could be expanded, for example say what tactics he uses, favoured formations etc. Added a paragraph on formations.
It seems strange to use American spellings ("criticize", "utilize") in an article about a British footballer. British spelling is used throughout ("Honours", etc.) apart from words ending in "-ise" for some reason. Changed.
Sources look mostly good, but is there a more reliable source than his personal website for the Fair Play awards? Added another source.

Thanks.--Echetus Xe 23:27, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The changes are OK, and I've made a couple more small edits myself, so I think this passes the Good article criteria now. Congrats, Big Dom 20:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, appreciate the edits and the comments.--Echetus Xe 20:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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