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Reservation and Departure Control Systems

I was looking for information about Japan Airlines and I was mainly interested in the Reservations system and Departure Control Systems of Japan Airlines (JAL). By 'systems' I mean, there names, architecture, platform etc. I believe these are *huge* systems - tranasaction processing systems- which cater to huge volumes of transactions yet come out with flying colors.

The answer is Axess, if anyone still interested to know. Aviator006 (talk) 07:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Worldperks or AAdvantage?

When I checked the website, they have the AAdvantage logo with Japan Airlines, but Worldperks operates that also, even though you can only redeem points for flights. Why should Worldperks serve that? --RonH 02:37, 13 August 2005 (UTC) -NW had agreements with all the big Japanese players to offer connections to Japanese domestic flights. Kind of like Korean's agreement with JAL even though they're in different alliances. Of course, now that they've been absorbed by Delta I have no clue if this will stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.34.79.251 (talk) 17:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Oneworld Membership

Reference in the Oneworld pages to potential for JAL to be a future member Moa999 10:06, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I went through the article and capitalized "Oneworld" throughout. Almost all trademarked names should begin with a capital letter -- please see WP:trademarks. -Sarfa 00:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Airline seating

If you found an aircraft seating, please insert it into the fleet table. Make sure the number is total first, then first/business/economy class. Thanks! - Dimequarterback 07:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I started working on this at User:Sekicho/JAL fleet a few weeks ago, but haven't had time or resources to finish it. Anyone who wants to use the info at the above link, have at it! Sekicho 08:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Japanese Language Text

Is it just my browser messing up, or is all of the Japanese text in the article now displaying improperly? All I see are ??????? whereever the Japanese language text should be. -Sarfa 20:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Why is the "International Flight Number" section the only one with a bilingual section heading? Either we should make them all bilingual or make none of them. Based on what seems to be standard for English WP articles, I'm voting for none of them. Any thought before I remove the Japanese? -Sarfa 06:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Old logos needed

I'm thinking of older logos of JAL (except JAS), please! Bigtop 21:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Irrelevant info.

I have deleted the following information from the article

  • Information on the models - this is a hobbyist thing and has nothing to do with the operations or history of the airline --Russavia 18:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Airbus A380 order?

I have noticed the following in the article : Japan Airlines confirmed an order for six new Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus A380 aircraft, three freighter and three passenger models, valued at approximately $800 million at list prices (ref:Airliner World, September 2005). I thought Japan Airlines never ordered the A380, and I do not remember reading an article stating otherwise in Airliner World - also it is not listed in the order book at Airbus_A380#ORDERS. I think it might be a good idea to remove the reference to the A380 unless someone can confirm it is true. Camaron1 | Chris 10:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for catching this. JAL has not ordered and, to the best of my knowledge, has no interest in ordering the A380. Makes me wonder about the rest of the aircraft orders listed in that reference... -Sarfa 23:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Logo Copyright

I'm concerned that the logo currently being used in the infobox is copyrighted. According to its license, a low resolution may be used if there is no freely-available substitute, but the one currently being used is high resolution... -Sarfa 14:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

There is also no fair use rationale - the fair use template states one is needed for the picture to count as fair use. Camaron1 | Chris 14:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- I have added a fair use rationale, that should help. The image might still needs its resolution in this article lowered a bit however. Camaron1 | Chris 14:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The image has now been re-uploaded at a lower resolution. Camaron1 | Chris 18:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Nippon vs. Nihon

I just noticed that the Japanese pronunciation in this article identifies the company name as Nippon Kōkū. Shouldn't this be Nihon Kōkū? "Nippon" in this case is not the standard romanization/pronunciation. Also, when calling the reservation line, the agents identify the company as "Nihon Kōkū", so this is how the company itself pronounces the name. Any objections to my changing it? -Sarfa 21:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to Nippon, according to ja: . The formal incorporated name is furiganaed Nippon KōkÅ«. In practice, everyone pronounces it Nihon KōkÅ« and tolerate it. Soredewa 03:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

There is a request on the Japanese talk page for a reference citing that the furigana for the actual name is Nippon, but none has yet been provided. I did find some Japanese websites that referred to the company name as Nippon Kōkū, but there were far more that used Nihon -- a Google search shows a more than 4:1 ratio of pages with Nihon vs. Nippon. The Japanese article mentions both pronunciations and I think this makes sense given that nobody (and I've talked to dozens of JAL employees, travel agencies, and regular Japanese people) actually calls it Nippon Kōkū. Should we do the same? -Sarfa 20:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I substituted a guess as observation for clarity. ja:日本航空 says it is formally Nippon, but conventionally it is Nihon. I think Nippon should have the priority because it is formal and makes no troubles when it is pronounced so. I think it is a kind of difference between than written language and the spoken language. But until JAL company(ies) amend their furigana to the government, its formal name(s) continue(s). When a company incorporates a company in one spelling/pronunciation, we need not infer that others are wrong. Soredewa 05:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Image

Right now all images are of aircraft. It might be nice to include this image of the JAL international head office: Image:JAL Building.jpg. Arthena(talk) 15:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the article has far too many images in it, especially since most, as you mentioned, are of JAL airplanes. I went ahead and deleted a few that I felt were unnecessary. Generally, if the image served a purpose (e.g. showing the livery from various points in time), then I left it in. If it was just a picture of a plane and/or there were better images to show the livery off, then I removed them. -Sarfa (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

JAL123 render is inaccurate

The render of JAL flight 123 shows the aft pressure bulkhead and tailcone intact but the tail almost completely gone from the bottom up. This is probably based on a photo floating around the net that's been over-enhanced. You can see the real photo and a perfect analysis of it here: http://vision.ameba.jp/watch.do?movie=195915

The render should probably be adjusted or removed, because it visually implies that the plane crashed because it lost its tail. In fact, yaw wasn't the main problem - inability to move the ailerons due to loss of hydraulics was the direct cause of the accident. --Badasscat (talk) 01:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Good catch! I went ahead and removed the image, since I was on a quest to cut down on the number of images in the article anyway. I think the number is now much more reasonable. -Sarfa (talk) 00:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I contacted User:Anynobody and we'll see what he says about it - BTW Badasscat see if you can get the official accident report. Once the image issue is resolved it should be added back. Because cutting down on the number of images should only be done if there is clutter. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Anynobody said: "Great timing, I was just getting set to revisit that image :) While I do intend to now incorporate the info in the video provided, "this it visually implies that the plane crashed because it lost its tail. In fact, yaw wasn't the main problem - inability to move the ailerons due to loss of hydraulics was the direct cause of the accident." is missing the broader picture. Since all 4 hydraulic systems connect to the rudder (albeit in different places) when it was lost so was the hydraulic system. (Essentially it's like saying JFK died of brain damage without mentioning the bullets.) (PS He/she also seems to not understand what the rear pressure bulkhead is since you can't see it from below, the part missing appears to be the rear tail cone surrounding the APU.)
I think you're talking semantics. The point is the plane didn't yaw itself into the ground, which was the implication by the now-replaced render and some of the text of the article. The plane crashed because of the phugoid effect; there was no way to control pitch or bank. It oscillated up and down because of the locked ailerons, eventually stalling and diving into the mountain. I'm not saying that there's any way they could have had control of ailerons but not rudder and somehow landed the airplane. What I'm saying is this is supposed to be a factual article, and there shouldn't be any implication that the events leading to the crash were anything other than what actually happened. It crashed after stalling at the top of a phugoid cycle, it did not lose lateral control until after hitting the first ridge. One reason for that is that while they didn't have the rudder, they did have enough stabilizer left to keep yaw from being the main problem. The current render makes that clearer. Badasscat (talk) 03:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
This info makes me wish I'd of gone with my gut and made more extensive damage." - Reposted here WhisperToMe (talk) 12:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, "clutter" is a matter of opinion. In my opinion, the article hwas cluttered with too many pictures of JAL planes sitting on the ground or landing -- there was a nearly unbroken line of pictures of JAL planes down the right side of the article from start to finish, most unrelated to the text next to which they appeared. As I mentioned in the post above, if I felt that the image provided some benefit, I left it in. Having said that, I have no problem with putting the CG render of JL123 back once it has been updated, since I feel it does add value to the article. -

Sarfa (talk) 15:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Skyteam?

Accroding to the factbox JAL was a member of Skyteam, that is wrong.--Goldwing 5000 (talk) 03:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Plush Toy Image

Is the photo of the JAL plush toy necessary? Does it add anything to the article? At the very least, I would argue it is in the wrong section ("Cabin") and at most it doesn't need to be in the article at all. Any objections to my removing it? -Sarfa (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It's been 5 days and no objections, so I removed it. -Sarfa (talk) 17:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Facts

I starting looking for references for the information in the infobox and found a great page on the JAL website. The numbers we decide to use, though, will vary dramatically depending on, for example, how we define "Destinations". Do we include codeshare only destinations? What about cargo only? Do we count all the domestic destinations within Japan? For the fleet size stat, do we count leased aircraft? Does anyone know any guidelines we can follow? -Sarfa (talk) 18:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Article improvements

The article has been reorganized, with new lead paragraphs, corporate identity section; service sections, codeshares, etc. The fleet chart has been expanded and split for cargo. Regards, SynergyStar (talk) 18:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Headquarters Address

Why does the "Corporate Affairs and Identity" section contain the exact address and other information about the American Region headquarters? If this information is important and relevant, then the addresses of all JAL regional headquarters worldwide should also be included (e.g. Tokyo, London, Sydney, etc.). Certainly one would expect the address of the Tokyo Worldwide Headquarters to be present, if appropriate. I feel that this information is inappropriate and unnecessary and would like to delete it. Any objections? -Sarfa (talk) 20:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it has already been removed, but I have no objection. I'm in the process of cleaning the article up for GA-status review or maybe higher! Aviator006 (talk) 07:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

In Flight Films

Do they still shwo Carl Macek's dub of Kiki's Delivery Service or do they show other films someone get back to me ASAP Matthew Cantrell (talk) 21:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry but as the subject of your question is not notable for this article, you may not find the answer here. However, here is the link to the JAL Entertainment Network, you may able to find what you're looking for! :) Cheers. Aviator006 (talk) 07:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Hubs, Secondary Hubs and Focus Cities

I am in the process of revising the whole article (with its infobox, lead and history left) and hoping to take the article to GA-status or higher. I am interested in your thought on what's JAL's main hubs, secondary hubs and focus cities? Here are my thoughts and why?

Now, what would you classify the following airports as? My thought is in brackets! (References: Domestic Route Map and 2009 Annual Report

  • Osaka International Airport (Hub - a major domestic airport for domestic connections - JAL serve 10 destinations, excluding the official hubs)
  • New Chitose Airport (Focus city - JAL serve 11 destinations, excluding the official hubs)
  • Fukuoka Airport (Focus city - JAL serve 9 destinations, excluding the official hubs)
  • Naha Airport (Secondary hub - flights from the main hubs can connect from here to 8 outer islands served by RAC and JTA, but would you classify it as a hub if the connection is from a mainline (JAL) to a subsidiary or connection from a subsidiary to the mainline (JAL)?)
  • Nagoya Airfield (Focus city - JAL serve 9 destinations with no service to the official hubs)

I will keep this for 5 days, before I update the article. Invitations sent to significant and recent contributors: SynergyStar, WhisperToMe, Sarfa and Arpingstone to comment. Anyone else are welcome to comment. Aviator006 (talk) 03:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

In the Oneworld website, it seems they classify Osaka International Airport, Naha Airport and Nagoya Airfield as hubs as well. Hmm... interesting... Aviator006 (talk) 12:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Greetings, your proposed listing sounds good, perhaps going by the Oneworld site it could be modified a bit, having the Naha and Nagoya airports being both secondary hubs. Having worked on overhauling this article a while back (when it was in similar condition as the ANA article), I applaud your efforts at getting this article to GA status, I've contributed from time to time since then. SynergyStar (talk) 02:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

2009 proposed shareholding negotiations

The 2009 proposed negotiations of JAL shareholding seems kind of a big deal whether JAL will stay in Oneworld or move into SkyTeam because American Airlines (AMR Corporation), Delta Air Lines and Air France-KLM seems to be in a struggle for foreign investment of JAL. I'm kind of proposing in Wikipedia that we should have a separate article regarding this, maybe because this is kind of some big news in the airline industry.

Does anyone have comments about my proposal into this new article, Japan Airlines 2009 proposed negotiations? Bigtop 22:15, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't agree... yet, but that is only due to the fact there is not much information to start a seperate article with. Maybe if more information was added with references then I would only just agree, just my opinion though. Zaps93 (talk) 22:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
It's quite heating up, sort of, so maybe try to check the Internet (maybe Google News) and let's see if we should make a separate article... I mean, JAL prefers American Airlines and the MLIT does not have the authority for JAL to choose, but maybe looking at Delta might be better because JAL might just eliminate unprofitable routes that Delta is profitable at in Asia... AA badly wants to convince JAL they should take their deal, but having competition between two SkyTeam-associated companies versus one seems to be a worth reconsidering, especially when JAL wants to team up with Air France-KLM to expand their codeshares, and maybe they actually should be combining with Delta's offer and switch to SkyTeam...isn't Cathay Pacific and/or British Airways even helping AA? Not as of now during this point... Bigtop 22:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Do not split up. The talks will be over in October, because JAL has to reorganise very quickly. In any case, JAL will sell a minority stake (up to 33,33%) to any other airline (due to Japanese law). The bids currently are in the order of US$ 200-300M, which would mean up to 11% stake in JAL. So just keep a small information part on the wikipage of JAL and of the bidders (until now AA, Delta and AF-KLM) and most likely in October it will be announced what has been decided. Anyway, Delta and AF-KLM could place a combined bid, say each party US$200-300M, given Delta about 11% and AF-KLM 11% in JAL and in that case JAL would probably leave Oneworld and join SkyTeam.

If AA wins the bid, it's all AA that is doing the bid, they have no help from BA (BA does not have any money to spend on these things at the moment). Anyway, BA is still trying to buy Iberia, but Iberia is worth more on the stock exchanges than BA, so the bid has been suspended. CP may have a huge amount of cash for this bid on JAL, combined with AA. However, no media report has mentioned CP thus far. Schalkcity (talk) 23:49, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, that's good about what I am hearing. Maybe I shouldn't split it at all. If AA wins the bid, they would expand their code sharing and do a joint venture, but that's only for the United States. JAL wants Europe also, so maybe a AF-KLM-DL share might do the trick there. With BA maybe not interested with this, as BA only codeshares within the BA-Iberia area and not the Continental Europe area, and Cathay Pacific just still too busy about possible Air China talks, then the AF-KLM-DL share might just do it. Delta is convincing JAL that they should be part of SkyTeam because of its larger network and possible benefits that JAL might not have, as a JAL official said that they might not be happy with Oneworld actually - he said that having JAL being part of Oneworld actually "has not brought as many benefits as JAL had expected". This might be a possible reason why they should join SkyTeam.
And by the way, Northwest Airlines, which is now part of Delta, started JAL in the 1950s. Maybe that might reach out a bit there, as well as the extensive Asian network Delta operates after the acquisition of Northwest. JAL might choose Delta partially because there are some routes that overlap, and maybe JAL could remove unprofitable routes that Delta also operates; in some cases, Delta might be more profitable. And do they even have codeshares with Korean Air and China Southern besides Air France?
China Eastern and/or Air China might be good for Oneworld if JAL leaves, but that maybe a discussion for later. China Eastern is also being courted by SkyTeam; if JAL is part of SkyTeam, and China Eastern has not decided about what alliance they are in, there could be a possibility that China Eastern could be part of SkyTeam. Maybe Air China could take Oneworld's job because of Cathay Pacific's ownership, but that's only if JAL's part of SkyTeam and maybe be part of a discussion later on in the next decade of the 2010s. Bigtop 00:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Also to comment, I think JAL wants China non-stop, not connecting flights. And I'm referring to non-stop flights to mainland China. If JAL was part of SkyTeam, the SkyTeam China Pass (http://www.skyteam.com/about/products/china.html) might just give JAL an advantage. Cathay Pacific has a good network, but to access mainland China through that way, passengers would have to transfer at Hong Kong, and JAL is focusing on non-stop flights directly to China. And don't forget about the Haneda airport expansion - they might consider using up new international slots for services directly to China without stopping over at Hong Kong; already, JAL has non-stop services between Haneda and Beijing as well as Shanghai-Hongqiao.
Even JAL is codesharing on China Southern Airlines flights to Guangzhou... And does Oneworld even have single-check-in service? Bigtop 01:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I agree it should be separated if there are enough material and references to support it. This will avoid editors having to update four or five articles to keep track on the latest development. However, it should not be mentioned in the alliances articles (ie. Oneworld, SkyTeam) as the move from one alliance to another is only speculations by the media; while the ownership negotiations are real and current. There could potentially be an equity investment by DL or AF/KLM with no change in alliance, similar to Cathay Pacific (Oneworld) and Air China (Star Alliance), and just bilateral relationship. Aviator006 (talk) 01:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Greetings all, the GA review recommended that a decision be made regarding the proposed split article. Any further thoughts? Perhaps being bold, the split could be made, or otherwise, the proposal tabled for now (perhaps into the coming month), and then brought up again. Regards, SynergyStar (talk) 23:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Given that some time has passed with no new developments, the split section has been taken off the main view page for now. If future developments warrant it being revisited, please feel free to remove the formatting and it will be visible again. It's probable that news reports of the actual negotiations, should they occur, will be the driving factor in that. Regards, SynergyStar (talk) 03:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Japan Airlines/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Comments:

  1. "the airline became a state-owned airline" sounds wordy, I would suggest changing to "it became a state-owned airline".
    Amended as suggested. Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  2. Is it necessary to have "decade" linked?
    Wikilink removed as suggested. Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  3. Japan Air Lines Co., Ltd. and Japan Air Lines should not be bolded in the Regulated era section.
    Removed bolding as suggested. Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  4. The sentence "On February 2, 1954, the airline began its first international service, flying from Tokyo to San Francisco, carrying 18 passengers." sounds very choppy.
    Sentence reworded to "On February 2, 1954 the airline began its first international service, carrying 18 passengers from Tokyo to San Francisco." Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  5. The sentence "Under the 45/47 system (45/47体制, yon'go-yonnana taisei?), the so-called "aviation constitution" enacted by the Japanese government in 1972, JAL was granted flag carrier status to operate international routes, and was also designated to operate domestic trunk routes in competition with All Nippon Airways and Toa Domestic Airlines" sounds wordy.
    Sentence reworded and splitted to "In 1972, under the 45/47 system (45/47体制, yon'go-yonnana taisei?), the so-called "aviation constitution" enacted by the Japanese government, JAL was granted flag carrier status to operate international routes. The airline was also designated to operate domestic trunk routes in competition with All Nippon Airways and Toa Domestic Airlines." Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  6. "to accommodate its growing list of routes within Japan and to other countries";, is it necessary to have "list of" in the sentence? It sounds awkward.
    Removed as suggested. Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  7. "Nowadays in 2009" sounds awkward, "Currently" works better.
    Updated to "Through 2009". Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  8. Remove second link to 45/47 system.
    Wikilink removed as suggested.Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  9. Who was the prime minister that flew to Peru in 1997?
    Ryutaro Hashimoto added. Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  10. I am a little concerned with the split tag at top of the Potential negotiations with American Airlines and Delta Air Lines section. Can this issue be addressed?
  11. Can the references in the Potential negotiations with American Airlines and Delta Air Lines section be properly formatted?
    References reformatted, dead references replaced. Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  12. Can the bolded terms in the Organization section be unbolded and be bolded in the lead instead?
    All bolding removed. Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  13. The paragraph "JALways, whose fleet is entirely made of Boeing 747 aircraft, has painted all of its aircraft with tropical-influenced liveries along with Reso'cha titles. These aircraft are used on charter flights to holiday destinations in the Pacific, such as Hawaii. Reso'cha is a marketing abbreviation for Resort Charter. Reso'cha planes were formerly known as JAL Super Resort Express." needs to be cited.
    Citation added. Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  14. The sentence "One aircraft, JA8543, operated as Japan Airlines Flight 736 from Hong Kong International Airport to Narita International Airport, touched down at 16:05. Another aircraft, JA8541, operated as Japan Airlines Flight 952 from Incheon International Airport to Narita International Airport, touched down at 16:37, marking the DC-10's last flight with the airline ending over 30 years of operations for this model." is wordy and needs to be split into two sentences.
    Sentence splitted as "One aircraft, JA8543, operated as Japan Airlines Flight 736 from Hong Kong International Airport to Narita International Airport, touched down at 16:05. Another aircraft, JA8541, operated as Japan Airlines Flight 952 from Incheon International Airport to Narita International Airport, touched down at 16:37. This marked the DC-10's last flight with the airline, ending over 30 years of operations for this model." Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  15. Do not use second person in article, such as in "without having the seat in front of you tilt back into your space when reclining".
    Reworded to "without having the seat in front intrude when reclining." Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  16. The sentence "The MAGIC-III system was introduced on December 1, 2007, provides Audio/Video On Demand (AVOD) entertainment to all passengers." sounds awkward.
    Reworded to "Introduced on December 1, 2007, the MAGIC-III system provides Audio/Video On Demand (AVOD) entertainment to all passengers." Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I am placing the article on hold. Dough4872 (talk) 16:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions. Changes have been made on all points mentioned, except the split article; wordy sentences have been split or modified; bold has been removed and confined to the lead; references added, wikilinks adjusted, 2nd person changed. For the split article, a decision is likely forthcoming. SynergyStar (talk) 00:03, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
All the comments have been reviewed and updated by SynergyStar, with minor updates modified by myself. We are awaiting for the editor of the "Partner airline negotiations" section to decide what action to take in regards to the potential split of that section into a separate article. Talkback sent to Bigtop to remind him of further action required. Aviator006 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for handling the communiques with regards to the split article issue. Upon review of the proposed split article, and also the additional talk page discussion, I no longer recommend against splitting. At this time, I defer to the editors who are following and compiling the relevant references to make a decision on that. Naturally that will need to be resolved in a timely fashion for the GA review purposes. SynergyStar (talk) 03:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I will pass the aritcle pending the concern of the separate article will eventually be resolved. Dough4872 (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I think the split could eventually become notable. It seems that JAL is receiving a LOT of news regarding on their restructuring plans... Bigtop 22:25, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Dough4872 for the successful GA review and suggestions. Regards, SynergyStar (talk) 05:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

"The original Japan Airlines logo consisted of the letters JAL stretched out to form wings."

I've looked at the logo that (according to its boxout) was the original, and the above does not describe that...the letters JAL are inside the red rather than forming anything. 78.86.230.62 (talk) 01:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

That's the 1960s logo that is inside the red circle, and pictured. The wing-JAL logo is the 1951-1960 logo, which is shown here: [1] (click 1951-1960)...ref added. SynergyStar (talk) 01:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Sources about the logo:

  • Adams, Sean, Noreen Morioka, and Terry Stone. Logo Design Workbook: A Hands-on Guide to Creating Logos. Rockport Publishers, 2004. 162. ISBN 159253032X, 9781592530328.
  • "JAL to bring back classic crane logo." Yomiuri Shimbun.

WhisperToMe (talk) 20:45, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Hull loss at Sendai Airport

I am sure that aircraft could not have escaped being rendered written off due to being submerged by the tsunami that followed the Tohoku Earthquake. I need a source. Thanks. --Inetpuppy (talk) 06:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Corporate reorg docs

WhisperToMe (talk) 19:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

History pages

Japanese history pages

WhisperToMe (talk) 20:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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No mention of Japan Airlines Flight 123 ??

Not a single mention of the effects of the accident on Japan Airlines?

Please sign your posts so we know who asks what, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Did it have any notable effect on Japan Airlines? do you have any reliable sources? MilborneOne (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Nonfactual Information

Japan Airlines is the second largest airline in Japan behind ANA, not the other way around.

ANA is the 1st largest airline in Japan!--Movietech (talk) 01:14, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Fleet Chart

I have updated the fleet chart using information on the page to conform to the fleet standard. However, it does not seem to conform to the fleet information on the JAL web site. For example, the web site says the the 747-200 is used for JAL Cargo only. Should this chart reflect what is on the current JAL web site?--user:mnw2000

  • Thank you for your contribution. The reliable source like the current JAL website helps definitely.--Movietech (talk) 01:43, 20 April 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erkan Umut (talk • contribs)

External links modified

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Did JAL order 777X?

Can I just notice that JAL just order those aircraft. 180.244.92.138 (talk) 15:25, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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