Talk:Jack (playing card)

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Fact[edit]

I have removed the {{fact}} tags because, as can be seen in the following images, the names are directly written on the cards : (clic to make the image larger)

Jack of hearts
Jack of diamonds
Jack of spades
Jack of clubs

Moez ^talk 23:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment[edit]

This page describes the "Jack of Diamonds" to represent Ogier the Dane, yet on inspecting the page dedicated to that person, he is listed as the "Jack of Spades". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.52.167 (talk) 12:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other Languages[edit]

In Hebrew, the Jack is called "Prince" (Nasikh) or "Kid" (Yeled). Is this true for other languages? IBB 04:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

French representation[edit]

Aren't those representations from the French deck all wrong? It's very misleading to write these version on one page and then to write something else on another. Check out this site for a more correct version. Erik Blomqvist (talk) 14:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

United Kingdom[edit]

I don't know how accurate this statement is: "the term with this definition is still recognized in the United Kingdom" as I'm British and had certainly never heard of Knaves until reading this article. Obviously my experience might not be universal, but the justification given in the article (quoting Great Expectations) doesn't seem a very valid one given that the book was written in the mid-19th century. Blankfrackis (talk) 18:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lovers of logic puzzles certainly do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_and_Knaves 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:D824:C7E2:C4D3:28A7 (talk) 07:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hindi[edit]

The second paragraph in the History section, about the Jack in India, has several issues. Does it belong in the article at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.94.17 (talk) 08:25, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get it[edit]

... books of card games published in the third quarter of the 19th century evidently still referred to the "knave", and the term with this definition is still recognized in the United Kingdom. (Note the exclamation by Estella in Charles Dickens's novel Great Expectations: "He calls the knaves, Jacks, this boy!" and the confession of Rosalind plan to Celia in Shakespeare's As You Like It: "I will speak to him, like a saucy lackey and under that habit play the knave with him.")

How does this addition illuminate anything? One could read the 'knave' here as meaning the card, but it seems farfetched, unless something else in the context supports that sense. —Tamfang (talk) 04:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes and no. Knave figures as the natural counterpart of Knight which connotes gallantry, nobility, frankness, honesty valour - the knave is the opposite of the knight in all these ways, as the knight is the master and the knave the servant or underling (Iago is the type of the knave, for instance). Rosalind presents herself as valet or page-boy, but is also duplicitous. Thus she plays the knave in two senses. But for Shakespeare the knave is also a playing card, adding a third sense to her word-play. In modern English the knight/knave opposition still occurs, for instance in the logic puzzles posed by Raymond Smullyan. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:D824:C7E2:C4D3:28A7 (talk) 07:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Trickster Figure[edit]

Hello Wikipedians, This Trickster Figure heading has no apparent relationship to the text below (which deals with promoting the jack) or to the main article (Jack (hero)) it references. Fixes could include:

change heading to conform with the text, or
add text that is relevant to the Trickster Figure heading (the person who came up with that heading must have had something in mind), and move existing text of this section to somewhere else.

Let's have some discussion as to what to do about this. BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 12:04, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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