Talk:International Metro Van

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In the real world these trucks are named "International Metro" without the word "Harvester"[edit]

"International®" introduced the "Metro" in 1938 and used the name continuously until the 1970s.

International Harvester Co. has told the public that they have sold trucks under the "International" name since 1914 in 1947 (p. 2), 1961 (p. 2), and 1976 (pp. 14-15, 18-26). An editor might think that one of the world's largest truck manufacturers would know the registered trademark brand name that they sell those trucks under. International Harvester Co. should at the very least be a source for WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Probably WP:COMMONNAME too, most automobile and truck articles use the vehicle's official name.

This box has published sources for the WP:COMMONNAME being "International":

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Burness, Tad (1985). American Truck & Bus Spotter's Guide 1920-1985. Motorbooks International. pp. 215–250. ISBN 0-87938-198-1. has "IHC Chicago" under the section title. Page 226 and 229 label the hood ornament logos as "IH". Everything else is "International", "International Trucks", or "International Motor trucks".

Crismon, Fred W. (2001). International Trucks: 100 Years 1907-2007. Crestline. ISBN 978-0970056726.

Davies, Peter J. (2000). The World Encyclopedia of Trucks. Lorenz Books. pp. 401–403. ISBN 0-7548-0518-2. Page 401 is International Harvester, Melbourne, Australia. Page 402-403 is International Harvester, Chicago, Illinois, USA. This sources all trucks after 1914 being named "International".

Foster, Patrick (2015). International Harvester Trucks, The Complete History. Motorbooks. ISBN 978-0-7603-4860-4. This sources all trucks after 1914 being named "International".

Mroz, Albert (1996). The Illustrated Encyclopedia of American Trucks and Commercial Vehicles. Krause. pp. 206–212. ISBN 0-87341368-7. This sources all trucks after 1914 being named "International".

Wood, Donald F. (1998). American Buses. MBI Publishing. pp. 23, 41, 42, 58, 65, 77, 96, 101, 116, 123, 127, 130. ISBN 0-7603-0432-7. uses "International" or "International chassis" This only sources the common name being "International".

Motor's Truck and Diesel Repair Manual (26 ed.). Motor. 1973. ISBN 0-910992-16-9. index has "International" (915-953) and "International Diesel Engines" (1224-1249). The word "Harvester is never used in the index or either section. P. 918 has specifications for the "Metro Series" from 1964 to 1971.

Here is a simple search: This link[1] is to a run-of-the mill commercial truck sales site. There are plenty of them, choose any that sells used trucks. Search "Select a make" for "International". What do professionals who buy and sell trucks call them?

This article was created with a made-up name. Probably accidently, the trucks have the International Harvester logo and are badged "Metro" (the name of the body manufacturer). Clearly confusing. As of today there is no WP:RELIABLE source for the word "Harvester" in the name.

Right now Wikipedia is saying that "International Harvester" is both the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAMES for these trucks when WP:RELIABLE show that neither is true. A Wikipedia-specific made-up name is presented as a common fact.

Some editors (@Amakuru, BarnCas, DanTD, Steve Lux, Jr., and SteveCof00:) do not believe that the sources above are WP:RELIABLE for WP:COMMONNAME and/or WP:OFFICIALNAMES and have opposed any name-changes. All have been shown most of these sources.

"Harvester" it is. Sammy D III (talk) 00:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gigi[edit]

The Washington Post reports, Brandon Byrd ... sharing the glory of Wisconsin-style frozen custard from a restored 1952 International Harvester Metro Van named Gigi. Not sure how to work that into the article, but it seems relevant. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:20, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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