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Doubt about Indonesia's K21 inventory[edit]

There doesn't seem to be any source (at least not that Google can find) saying that Indonesia actually has K21 IFVs. There are rumors that Indonesia intends or even has signed a purchase order, but "intention" shouldn't meet the threshold of ownership and there are no confirmation from South Korea regarding a purchase order either. Unless a credible source can be found regarding the DELIVERY of K21s to Indonesia (not the Black Fox/Tarantula, that's confirmed), the entry for K21 should be removed. Since I'm not registered on Wikipedia (and has no intention of registering for a minor edit like this), perhaps some of the Wikipedia writers can add either a source confirming the existence of K21 in the Indonesian Army or else remove it. Thank you.

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Possible NGO edit warring[edit]

I am referring this recurring NGO nuisance to Admin. It is hypocrisy of the highest order to slander the TNI, without the same level of criticism against the unprovoked, petro-politically-driven military aggression of Australia, USA and UK regarding Vietnam, East Timor, Iraq and Afghanistan. Comparatively, TNI smells of roses. Current edit makes note of HR criticism, but respects reader's intelligence that they may research further, at own discretion.Peeweebee (talk) 15:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New Logo is Ugly[edit]

Someone please return the old logo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.255.228.34 (talk) 09:16, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article semi-protected for an indefinite period[edit]

As virtually all the IP edits to this article over the last few months have been vandalism (typically involving adding dubious entries to the list of equipment), I have semi-protected the article for an indefinite period. Nick-D (talk) 05:46, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Indonesian Army[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Indonesian Army's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "TNI":

  • From Pindad Komodo: "Rantis 4x4 "Komodo" Buatan Dalam Negeri" (in Bahasa Indonesia). Indonesian Armed Forces. 2012-11-12. Archived from the original on 2013-06-12. Retrieved 2013-06-12.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link)
  • From Pindad SS2: "TNI Pesan 15 Ribu unit Senapan Serbu dari PT Pindad" (in Indonesian). Media Indonesia. 2005-05-05. Archived from the original on 2009-02-02. Retrieved 2013-01-18.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:20, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the Apache listed as "in service"?[edit]

The purchase hasn't even been approved by either the American Congress nor the Indonesia parliament. Seriously, why bother locking this article if there's no double-checking on the editor's part? And what about the K21 I mentioned before? There is no proof of an actual order, and yet it's "in service"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.161.168.41 (talk) 13:31, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to remove anything that is not supported by a reliable reference. On the other hand, i don't have the time to fix every problem. --Merbabu (talk) 23:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: so i looked at the two sources provided. It appears that the purchase/delivery is not complete and is in progress. Accordingly, I have inserted the words "planned purchase" next to the entry. I am happy to discuss a better description. regards --Merbabu (talk) 23:41, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of lists[edit]

This article seems to have degenerated into a series of unreadable lists of obscure army sections and personnel, but areas such as the history of the army or aspects such as human rights abuses, its illegal business activities and clashes with the Police are not covered in enough detail. I shall get on it as soon as possible, but in the meantime, I shall start removing these absurd lists unless anybody objects. Davidelit (Talk) 03:32, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good, um, list of issues...go right ahead. --Merbabu (talk) 10:03, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
PS - you may want to consider how it relates to Indonesian_National_Armed_Forces. Some overlap is good, but we don't need to repeat ourselves. Or, maybe given the info in the other article, we break this article up into a serious of lists.List of... --Merbabu (talk) 10:06, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Changing the lede[edit]

Removing the "violations" from lede, not only its already on the History section. Its seems out of place considering no other Armies have it even mentioned. "violations" doesn't even exist on the pages of Armies of ASEAN, and other Armies including but not limited to US Army, Russian Army, and People's Liberation Army. Pages like the Soviet Red Army, and the Japanese Imperial Army does mentioned crimes, but not on the lede. The only Army pages that it on the lede that i found so far are the Wehrmacht's Heer, and Waffen-SS.

I changed the text on the history section as well.

Would love to have an open discussion about this. Please, let me know what do people think. EvoSwatch (talk) 13:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. There are very good reasons for mentioning the Indonesian Army's human rights record in the lede. It is a defining characteristic of an organization that was only established 75 years ago, but that has probably killed more Indonesians than any other, and effectively ran the country for the 32 years in which it was a dictatorship. That period started with the Army killing (or inciting the killing of) and detaining without trial vast numbers of unarmed Indonesians, a tradition it continued throughout the New Order regime, which saw a number of noticeable massacres and killings that attracted international attention and damaged the reputation of the country. Given the rate at which it has killed, tortured and otherwise abused the very people it is supposed to protect (and continues to do so), it seems absurd not to mention this in the lede. Davidelit (Talk) 16:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like the IJA and the Red Army easily exceeds that, though the current mention is about a sentence long so eh. Juxlos (talk) 03:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am for removing, I checked some other institutions around the world and noone has it in the lead, also due weight in that case we could add to it is one of the most if not the most trusted institution in Indonesia by poll opinions in that area. And one sentence is important too. 178.221.112.160 (talk) 07:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, just because it is not included in other similar articles does not mean it shouldn't be included here. The poor human rights record of the Indonesian Army is a defining characteristic, probably what it is best known for thanks to the Indonesian mass killings of 1965–66, its backing of the brutal New Order regime, the Santa Cruz massacre and the Trisakti shootings among others. Davidelit (Talk) 08:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway all that events happened more than 20 years ago and even it had different name, and it seems by poll opinions majority of Indonesians trust to their army so maybe note about that is important for lead also someone can think by due weight. And what go into is made by a consensus on this place I think. User challenged that to stay, you reverted but no consenus to keep it. 178.221.112.160 (talk) 09:25, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that the army began conducting major edits at the Indonesian Wikipedia (they once remove 20000s bytes from an article), how much time we have before they reach here?Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 15:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually not a bad idea, considering the PKI Purges, Santa Cruz massacre, and Trisakti shootings all happened under a different name "ABRI" different regime and era. I think it kinda makes sense to create a new "ABRI" page and put it there. After all we didn't put Warcrimes committed by the Wehrmacht in the German Army page. EvoSwatch (talk) 13:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2022[edit]

Kipersound (talk) 00:32, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

please change X to Y Kipersound (talk) 00:33, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 00:47, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2023[edit]

36.72.33.254 (talk) 05:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesian Army has Transportation Ship that can deploy material and logistik from Army hQ to Military Command Area (Kodam) , You can see Wikipedia Link @ Batalyon Perbekalan Angkutan 4, It has 12 unit Transport Ship : 1500 DWT (2 ships), 1200 DWT (1 Ship), 1000 DWT (3 Ships), 500 DWT (2 Ships), 300 DWT (3 Ships) and 150 DWT (3 Ships)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 13:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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