Talk:I Am Ghost

Stop

Stop trying to blame goth for these kind of bands, just listened to the "music" on their myspace profile, its typical post-hardcore/emofad stuff... there is nothing remotely "gothic" or "punk rock" about this bands music. - Deathrocker 14:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

• claps*

• I wouldnt say emofad :P It could start a whole new arguement. I think Hardcore justifies them.

The point Deathrocker is making, is that this is Emo/post-hardcore/whatever. It has nothing to do with Gothic music, or even the word goth at all. (82.44.56.98 (talk) 11:12, 4 July 2009 (UTC))

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.101.211.185 (talk) 07:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC) 

I'm all for tolerance, but calling them hardcore just confuses the issue. Post-hardcore, OK. In Western NY, they have numerous sub-genres that end in the suffix -core. I like this band when they sound most like their forerunners, AFI. I understand the hurtfulness of the moniker emo, but IAG deserves the name emo-core. Their only claim to the Gothic musical genre is repeated mentions of coffins and blood... so blatant and unsubtle except for a few lyrics in the first album. Ever wonder why? Foxpoet (talk) 04:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Lucky they didn't take from my current band's current music!!!! Here is a video shot during the controversy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpnIQDpk7Rc --jpf Foxpoet (talk) 08:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Plagarists

Stop deleting the plagarism information. It's true and in time you'll KNOW it's true (of course you'll only believe the media if they tell you)

When you put it up with citations, then I'll effing believe it. Until then it just seems like a poor attempt to de-ride them. Honestly, someone "who wishes to remain unnamed."--SOAD_ROCKS

Here is a sourced reference for the plagiarism info: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://geocities.com/countsin/TEXToriginal/JPF_Favorite_poems/List_of_Memories.html web.archive.org first archived the poem "List of Memories" May 21st, 2001; it was first published in print in Millenium [sic] Broadside in 1991 - author Jason Paul Fox. As you can see, the first several lines of "Lady Madeline in Her Coffin" are identical. Take a few minutes browsing Jason's website and you'll find lots of other poems that look "familiar." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.73.152 (talk) 03:11, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, enough. My name is Jason Paul Fox and I'm settling this issue now.

Most of what has been said is true. Some is distorted or exaggerated. It is true that some elements of "I Am Ghost," the eponymous debut album, contained several elements of my writing. Apparently, this was due to the actions of a single band member, whose defense was "My ex-girlfriend sent me those poems, I thought she wrote them."

There was never any question, no-one ever tried to argue that no portions of the lyrics came from my writing. As noted above, I published some of this writing in 1991.

Besides for myself, because I went through a serious personal crisis over the whole issue, I mostly feel really bad for all the other members of I Am Ghost who apparently didn't know. Yes, I have made my peace with them and with Epitaph Records. No, I don't post much poetry online anymore... though my new book will come out as soon as I drag myself from depression and finish it...

You can reach me here on Wikipedia, I'm interested in becoming a contributor, though not in the music areas, God Forbid! I would like to include a link to one of the poems used in the first album, because all the other word-combinations borrowed would have been nothing without the wholesale theft of the beginning of my poem, which served as the beginning of "Lady Madeleine in Her Coffin," a stanza I wrote 21 years ago, and still consider important.

Foxpoet (talk) 04:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

OMG?

Ban this asshole who cleared the information about I Am Ghost. And they are labeled as gothic from Epitaph.

On The Vandalism

Will who ever keeps on deleting the page, putting in BS, and writing about the idiotic idea of "plagerism" please stop.
And someone with a bit more experience on Wikipedia might want to fix up the article. It tried to restore it the best I could, but I think the formattings off.
Thanks!
24.46.140.10 18:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, okay you want proof? Here. The website of the man who wrote the poems that were ruthelessly stolen and violated.

http://www.geocities.com/countsin/HTML/29_Poems_by_Jason_Paul_Fox.html

Read the titles and read through the poems and you'll know what the fxck I'm talking about.

Is that proof enough? One morning at 2 AM this man ^^ was watching vh1 when SUDDENLY he heard a pretty poor sounding band yarking HIS WORDS. HIS POETRY. HIS CREATIONS, STOLEN, AND THESE KIDS ARE INTERNATIONAL STARS BECAUSE OF HIS INGENIOUS. For days he couldn't eat or sleep, he was sick and depressed. Does I Am Ghost even care? Maybe. They offered to pay but their agents (or something) offered 7% of profit. 7% ONLY? Jason Fox refused. He deserved more. The case is far from settled. I just felt like getting the word out early.

WTF! he was depressed and sad for days...OMG! like isn't he a grown man. Get over it, He should be glad that his words/lyrics/poems are being heard arround the world. I dont care what any of you guys say...I Am Ghost is still AMAZING!

JPF says: Well, that isn't quite how it happened. But I wasn't "depressed and sad for days." I was sick to death for months. My words were already being heard around the world, but they were my words. I've let my web presence decline for many years now, but I'd rather be unknown than deal with knowing IAG played Warp Tour at MY concert venue singing MY words without credit. I didn't disrupt the show at Darien Lake Performing Arts Center, though I could have easily... just walk in and wave at all the security guys, they knew me. Feeling hurt doesn't make you weak. I did the right thing and refrained from taking revenge. I have waited until now to speak out. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? I am removing some rebuttals below because they have been answered fully. If you want to attack my character, go ahead. Don't deny the facts as shown via incontrovertible references Foxpoet (talk) 07:42, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Again, PROOF: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://geocities.com/countsin/TEXToriginal/JPF_Favorite_poems/List_of_Memories.html Lyrics are identical to "Lady Madeline in Her Coffin," were first archived May 2001. web.archive.org is considered evidence admissible in court!

Geez

Hence why I put "someone who does not wish to be named" He doesn't want it public YET. How is it coincidence if the poems were created nearly 10 years before I Am Ghost was formed? Pure coincidence that the lyrics match up exactly yet were "written" at different times? You have articles about controversial things such as Christianity yet do you have "proof" such as an article? Yet how can an article prove anything? You can ask the man himself, his AIM is on his page. Ask him about it. I'm just saying what I know for sure.

Just Google the phrase "I Am Ghost Jason Paul Fox"

Also, a review I found on Amazon.com ::

"

Why parts of this album are good, May 23, 2006

Reviewer: Perriwinkle the Evil "no relation to Dr Evil" (Fungomery, Alabubba) - See all my reviews

I listened to some of the songs off this album. Especially in Lady Madeline, I found some of the lyrics good and the rest just emo drivel--and bad emo drivel at that. So I did a search online for some of the lines from Lady M and wouldn't you know, I came upon a website by a poet named Jason Paul Fox. He wrote most of his poetry 15-20 years ago, when many of the members of IAG were very young children at best. I looked through the album to find Mr Fox credited, but his name appears nowhere. So, kiddies, now you know where they came up with such great poetry. Sorry to burst your bubble."

++First off...your not bursting any bubble babes. IAG is amazing either way. and second."Emo Drivel" seriously it sounds like you did so much research in order to write this. Do you have nothing beter to do? Did this "Jason Paul Fox" personally thank you???? NO, didn't think so. I suggest that you get a life and go fuck yourself!++

(Who said I wrote those things anyhow?)

The reason "controversial" stuff is allowed in some artices, such as Chrisitanity, is because there are external resources of legitimate credibility out there explaining it. Amazon.com reviews and what yoy say don't count. Unless you gwt solid proof that the guy you said wrote the poems, feels plagerised, and has solid evidence to support it, then it can not be published in Wikipedia.
Lady Insane 00:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Okay what am I supposed to get to prove it?!

A flippin confession on tape?!

Were the poems ever copywrited? because unless they were, it doesn't even fall under the legal definition of plagiarism, who's to say he didn't plagiarize them off some other small name writer?----SOAD_ROCKS

Because I know the guy personally, he wrote those poems when he was 15, some before that and some after, and yes, they were copywrited. He was the one who found out they were stolen. He filed a lawsuit against them. It's far from settled, I think, but I haven't been refreshed on that topic since he moved a month ago. I need to ask him about it. The band was offering him something like 7% of the profit, they admitted to stealing some of his lines without asking, but someone isn't letting them pay him back. I can't remember who the person is to I Am Ghost, some agent or something.

Looking over his poetry site I realized they got their first CD name idea from him; he has a short poem called "We're Always Searching" very similar on top of the 2 poem titles combined into one song and the first paragraph of List of Memories in the lyrics to Lady Madeline in her Coffin (or something like that)

I added that Jason Paul Fox into the German I Am Ghost page.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Ghost --Project X 14:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Project X.

My Name is Jason Paul Fox

Thank you, all my fans. If I never thanked you personally, I know I have thanked some, sorry I was too hurt to jump in for myself, I thank you now.

M. SOAD, you are wrong about copyrights. You don't even know how to spell it. Writing is copyrighted the moment you write it. You just have to be able to prove you wrote it first. Which was not an issue in my case. It was obvious I wrote parts of those lyrics. Now, on the other hand, if I had *registered* my copyright with the Library of Congress... I could have demanded 4 times the damage. This is one of the reasons I am not publishing much now. I want my much-requested book to have lots of unseen material, and also I can register the whole book at once, so if someone steals from me like this again, it's not a 6-month vacation, it's starting a new company of my own.

M. SOAD, why do you think IMG is so great? I am as Irish as any Soad Warrior. Oh, System of a Down. They're OK. I worked as a stagehand for an AFI show, though, and the singer blew my mind. He's smaller than you'd think... and he crowd-walked, like stage surfing but upright. He crowd-walked while singing the whole time. It's not my favorite music, but that was a truly great performance! I'm not against recent hard music. There was just a line crossed by IAG -- the one between being inspired by someone, and stealing from him. Foxpoet (talk) 05:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

ps: I just read a machine translation of the German Wikipedia page. Though many titles are copied from my poem titles, most titles are not protected by copyright. The only title I consider a violation is "Isolation Thirst," because it is an integral concept, not just a reference to identify the content. Most of the copied content consisted of three or four words in sequence, which wouldn't be enforceable, without the outright theft in one song, Lady M. It was only this song that was brought to my attention, and I immediately delegated the investigation. I didn't want to be vindictive, but my bassist quickly found 12 phrases and word combinations copied from my work, and I soon found 6 more... There is no defense for whoever thought they could steal not just my poetry, but my style... by copying a few word combinations here and there. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

Guess what

I was recently updated on Jason Paul Fox and I Am Ghost's case, and it's been settled by I Am Ghost just giving him a little old-credit and a sh!tload of money. Maybe there will be articles about it one day, but probably not soon because he wanted it kept secret. When there are I'll be looking for them and THEN I'll add it in Wiki, okay?

I am having to update the talk page for this article for about the third time, as my comments are removed. This statement is simply not true. This users comment initial stated that the remaining copies of I Am Ghosts' first album were all recalled. I pointed out that this is not true as the album is still available in stores and in online shops. I also pointed out that there is no evidence to support the ten thousand dollar settlement. Apparently this user decided to remove his point about the album recall, as well as remove my comment. I simply do not understand, why this user is so insistant on spreading lies and covering up opposing evidence.

The settlement was with Epitaph Records, not IAG. I don't care to comment on other details. Do you really need them? Who are you, a band member or a PR rep? Get over it. IAG fans don't care. Let the truth come out. (No, nothing was recalled, though my right to demand such action was discussed with lawyers...) JPF Foxpoet (talk) 07:06, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Seriously, there are certain things I write that are for my personal use, no-one else can use them. I'm happy to sell most of my stuff, you just have to give me an offer! jpf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxpoet (talk • contribs) 08:28, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey.

I love IAG, their music is just beautiful, but I will be the first person to admit their lyrics are NOT original. You can dodge most of it and cover it up as "coincidence" all you want, but you canNOT deny that "Lady Madeline In Her Coffin" is IDENTICAL to JPF's "List of Memories". This cannot be a coincidence. This, at LEAST, needs a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.108.201.44 (talk) 20:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I have made my peace with IAG and their label, you can like their music as you want. I am told it is a single member who is responsible for the theft of my words. And most of their words are original. Just not the good ones in the first album.  ;-) JPF Foxpoet (talk) 07:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Genre?

Shouldn't there be more of a genre than just emo?

Can we not define this band as rock too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Casket56 (talk • contribs) 02:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

they arnt even emo -fritzel :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.110.163 (talk) 22:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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