Talk:Hyporhamphus ihi

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Requested move 21 August 2019[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 00:15, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand piper → Hyporhamphus ihi – Fishbase does not give a common name for this fish, the relevant New Zealand pages most commonly refer to it as the garfish, which is ambiguous, there are a variety of common names given on line so the binomial is therefore the most appropriate title for the article Quetzal1964 (talk) 19:40, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:17, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I have no clear judgement for or against this move but I believe it may be controversial since WP:NCFAUNA states that we should [u]se the most common name when possible. The government of New Zealand where this fauna is endemic uses the name piper.[1] Other common names also exist. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:17, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Response The New Zealand Ministry of Fisheries 2011 publication New Zealand Fishes Volume 1 A field guide to common species caught by bottom and midwater fishing uses the name garfish and (incorrectly) states that there are no other common names. New Zealand angling magazine articles I have seen call it "garfish" which suggests that readers may search for it under that title, then under the binomial which would then lead them through a redirect to the article. The binomial system of scientific names has been widely accepted since 1758 as means of providing precision to names of organisms. Quetzal1964 (talk) 05:49, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here are sources that use piper: [2][3][4][5] This may also be the same fish as piper (fish) but I have no knowledge in the area. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Multiple "common" names, none with any great currency, so use unambiguous scientific name. William Avery (talk) 12:45, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support - none of the sources that Coffeeandcrumbs noted, nor the one noted by Quetzal1964 mention "New Zealand piper", nor do they use "New Zealand garfish". If piper were indeed the most common name, the proper article title would be Piper (New Zealand fish), and as there is already a natural disambiguator in Hyporhamphus ihi, that should be used. --Nessie (talk) 13:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support current title is not commonly used. FishBase lists "garfish", "halfbeak", "piper" and "New Zealand garfish" as vernacular names. "New Zealand garfish" is the only one that is unambiguous, but it is rarely used. Scientific name provides a precise, natural title, that is consistent with scientific names used as titles for the majority of fish species. Plantdrew (talk) 20:13, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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