Talk:Hygge

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Creating an article[edit]

I propose removing the redirection to the Gemütlichkeit page and creating instead a unique entry on Hygge. Every day people search google for information on Hygge, and they would benefit from a Wikipedia page on the topic.

The term Hygge, which is a Danish cultural concept that indicates a certain mood and style of interaction, has so far redirected to "Gemütlichkeit". While Hygge is absolutely comparable to Gemütlichkeit, and terms in other languages such as Dutch Gezellighed, Norwegian Kos or and English Coziness and Homeyness, Hygge should have its own entry on Wikipedia. The Danish term has many meanings that are particular to a Danish cultural context, and it is often used in descriptions of Denmark and Danish products as a symbol of Danish culture ^[1] .

^ Linnet, Jeppe Trolle (2011). "Money can't buy me hygge: Danish middle-class consumption, egalitarianism and the sanctity of inner space". Social Analysis. 55 (2): 21–44. Retrieved 27 December 2013.

Antonym[edit]

As native Danish speaking I can say for sure that the antonym of "hygge" isn't "uhyggelig", no matter what The Guardian says, because the two words belong to different word categories. "Hygge" is either a noun or a verb, while "uhyggelig" is an adjective. However, the adjective "hyggelig" is derived from "hygge", and it is also correct that "uhyggelig" most often is used in a quite different manner than as the opposite of "hyggelig", although Den Danske Ordbog (The Danish Dictionary) notes as one - rare - meaning of "uhyggelig" is 'ikke hyggelig' (not "hyggelig") [1]. --Amjaabc (talk) 15:16, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Normally, I'd suggest that your argument constitutes Original Research - but given how badly sourced and poorly written that Guardian article is, I've deleted the antonym claim until a better source can be found. Don't forget that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, including you ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 12:38, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup needed[edit]

The article is contradictory and ungrammatical now:

That word is more a *physical* state, instead the Danish and the Norwegian word focus on a psychological state.[2] "Hygge" is a state where all *psychological needs* are in balance

Zezen (talk) 15:53, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vis-a-vis Gemütlichkeit[edit]

Did some cleanup.

Regarding the claim that German and Dutch equivalents "relate more to a physical state, while the Danish and the Norwegian words focus on a psychological state," I am skeptical. The connotations of the German word are certainly not limited to physical needs. According to Gemütlichkeit, its "qualities include coziness, peace of mind, belonging, well being, and social acceptance." I've always associated it mainly with coziness and well being. (The German word Geborgenheit elicits similar feelings.)

Further, the Gemütlichkeit article adds that "the Dutch equivalent gezelligheid has broader social connotations than the German Gemütlichkeit and can be more accurately compared to the Danish hygge."

I suggest a native speaker of Danish or Norwegian who is also familiar with German recast the comparison of hygge to parallel words in other languages. (German is my second language, and I know some Dutch). Sca (talk) 19:35, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

History section[edit]

There could be a history section where it is explained how and when the term hygge was coined. 84.249.218.170 (talk) 03:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rehaul of the Wiki[edit]

i have noticed several irrelevant things being written in the article and i am trying to rehaul the page. i have created some headings in the wiki but i need further help with a more valued meaning of the topic because Hygge is a very popular concept right now and this article is a shame, especially considering that several people visit Wikipedia, looking for a description of this term. I will be updating more works on the wiki soon but it will be nice if i can get other users contributing to it too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamjoyandlove (talk • contribs)

Isn't the article now in a state, that we can remove the warning box in the top? --Madglad (talk) 05:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Right now the etymology seems to be based on Meik,, Wiking,. The little book of hygge. It is the only source that is cited in the section.

- Mr. Melk does not seem to be aware of that the English word hug is unrelated to hygge and to the English word hugge. The English word hugge has a known origin which is ug and it does not mean "... to embrace". Hug according to OED: "Appears late in 16th cent.: origin unknown." and does mean " = embrace". According to Oxford English Dictionary one of the meanings of hugge is "To abhor, abominate" and the word is obsolete. Hygge is related to the Norwegian word hug. The anglosaxon word hycgan is related to hygge but have travelled to English as how or howe which means "To be anxious, think, consider, purpose, intend" or "Care, anxiety, trouble, sorrow.", or rather meant since this meaning of how is obsolete except in dialects. This meaning of how is related to old norse hugr (a parallel formation), which have travelled to modern Norwegian as hug or hu. Mr. Meik does not appear to have accessed any reliable sources if he is quoted correctly.

- I am afraid I'll have to throw Mr. Meik out of the article unless some good quotes can be provided which can be used and the content of the quotes tallies with reliable sources.

- Jeppe Trolle Linnets doctoral thesis also refers to Marianne Gullestad and others that have commented on hygge/hyggelig and both the thesis and Gullestad should have more space in the article along with the research they are referring to.

- I'll try to access my Norwegian hu contained within my Norwegian hue (the words are unrelated), when I try to figure out how to present this etymology.--ツ^ツDyveldi ^{☯ prat} _{✉ post} 20:44, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And now i have checked "Meik,, Wiking" whose name is Meik Wiking and the article is so true to his text that if it is not copyvio it is borderline. I have further found https://www.etymonline.com/word/hug which is so close to Mr. Wiking that I presume one of them have been the source for the other. This because bits and pieces are correct, but the concoction has ended up wrong and other bits an pieces does not belong at all. Basically the both of them mixes words with different meanings and origins and does not state what language or what age the words they use belongs to.

- My criticism of Mr. Wiking and etymonline.com is based on various reliable Norwegian, Swedish, Danish and English dictionaries and other sources. The word hygge and it's companions is however a well travelled word through the ages and languages. The meaning has evolved along the way. This makes it difficult to describe the etymology in a way that makes sense. The question is also to what extent refute something which by now probably is all over the web. How much space should be used to theories that have no basis (exept unreliable ones)? I any space at all should be used on this.

- I think I'll probably need an article about the hug which has nothing to to with an embrace, but leads me to hight, how, howe, high (all of which are obsolete English words) and so on. This one is going to be difficult and sources is only a problem in the sense that they are so many and they need to be connected.

- Then there is the research done on hygge which also needs to be described in the article. Right now I have more scientific articles and chapters in books than I ever thought possible to write about hygge (and I am not counting Mr. Wiking and the other lightweight fad books). The etymology is after all just a framework to give the word history and meaning. What is hygge and how came it to be what it is today? --ツ^ツDyveldi ^{☯ prat} _{✉ post} 20:07, 19 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

People DO speak English in the U.S.[edit]

" . . . in Norway "hygge" is just a word, similar in status to "cosy" in English-speaking countries or "cozy" in the US." Come on, enough of this. Kdammers (talk) 16:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: WRIT 015-31, Writing for Others[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 January 2023 and 12 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Amanda Vogel (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Amanda Vogel (talk) 13:35, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Plan for Editing[edit]

As the article is currently organized, I think that it is confusing to readers what the difference is between the etymology and use section. As it is currently written the etymology is repeated numerous times and contradicts itself throughout. I think that for the article to be more clear and better embody Hygge, the use section should be removed and the etymology section should be edited to a more clear definition. Additionally, I plan to add a section about how Hygge is lived out by Danes on a day-to-day basis. After much research, I found that the international influence of Hygge has been prevalent and would be an important addition to the article.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amanda_Vogel/Hygge/Bibliography Amanda Vogel (talk) 14:11, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Linnet, Jeppe Trolle (2011). "Money can't buy me hygge: Danish middle-class consumption, egalitarianism and the sanctity of inner space". Social Analysis. 55 (2): 21–44. Retrieved 27 December 2013.

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