Talk:Hurricane Dorian/Archive 1

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Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2019

Dorian is now listed as Category 5, and the Hurricane Dorian page says it remains a 4. Iseriously (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@Iseriously:  Not done No, the NHC has not upgraded it to a Category 5 hurricane and we will list it as one if and only if they officially do so in an advisory.--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:07, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

190

Do you think it will be upgraded to 190 mph? Tabbywabby7738 (talk) 17:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

We don't know until a reliable source tells us so. It's a good question, but not for a Wikipedia talk page. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 17:41, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Adding Hurricane Andrew to See Also?

I think that the media and the nature of the storm has been compared to Andrew enough - particularly the perpendicular approach to the coast - warrants Andrew in the See Also section. Because it is such a significant storm, I think this should be something discussed rather than just done. INFOWeather1 (talk) 02:15, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps wait a bit until it makes the western turn? I can see the similarity with the current GFS and EURO models. – The Grid (talk) 13:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Non encyclopedic writing?

The last paragraph of the lead of this article is concerning for me, it sounds less like Wikipedia and more like a news report... Is it normal for it to look like that? James-the-Charizard (talk) 10:16, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

@James-the-Charizard: No, it was just originally written in that manner. Im sure it will get fixed once the article gets more attention. NoahTalk 11:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
@Hurricane Noah: Thanks for fixing that. James-the-Charizard (talk) 18:43, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Can someone take out that bit in the lede paragraph about the guy dying while cleaning his gutters? It's already mentioned firther down in the article, and taking it out will make ot sound less like a news article. 2601:644:877F:F6D8:7D3C:1732:D3BB:9531 (talk) 13:36, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

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2PM advisory is out

Why is the 12:45 statement still listed as the current information? Note that hourly updates will be issued by the NHC starting at 3PM.12.144.5.2 (talk) 18:05, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS ST47 (talk) 18:42, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Hurricane articles here keep the current information window up to date while a storm is active.(And the 3PM update was duly reflected).12.144.5.2 (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Hurricane Dorian

The first paragraph of Hurricane Dorian needs to be edited to acknowledge the fact that it is now the strongest ever named storm in the Atlantic, even surpassing Hurricane Irma with maximum sustained winds of 185mph and a pressure of 913 millibars. Irma had peak winds of 180mph and a pressure of 914 millibars before making landfall. Saintlaurentdon (talk) 18:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

It isn't the strongest ever by either one of those metrics. The records are 190mph sustained (Allen) and 882mbar (Wilma). ST47 (talk) 18:42, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm thinking Saintlaurentdon is distinguishing the Atlantic Ocean proper from the rest of the basin?...Allen and Wilma reached peak strength in the Gulf of Mexico/Caribbean.(Dorian has reached 910mb/26.87 InHg,were any of the more intense storms NOT in the Caribbean/Gulf?) 12.144.5.2 (talk) 19:06, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes exactly, that’s what I’m pointing out here. It’s currently raging in the Atlantic Ocean basin. Surprising to me, Dorian continues to gain strength and has reduced to 910Mb pressure as of 1500 EDT Saintlaurentdon (talk) 19:19, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken, "the open Atlantic region" is the term we used for Irma's record.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 21:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

5PM advisory is out

The "watches and warnings" section of the article needs to be updated given the new warnings for Florida.12.144.5.2 (talk) 21:13, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Current information

The last edit listed "September 2" which hasn't occurred yet for the eastern seaboard of the US for at least four more hours. Someone with ECP please fix. Gwenhope (talk) 01:19, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Which edit is that Gwenhope ~ the last one I see is here about the speedway ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 01:23, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Current Storm Information Gwenhope (talk) 01:31, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Are you talking about this ~ 9:00 p.m. EDT (01:00 UTC September 2) September 1 ~ ? ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 01:39, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 Fixed. Hurricane Dorian#Current storm information. — Wyliepedia @ 01:53, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

~ Photos ~

Starting conversation ~ this hurricane will last several days ~ we can't be set on saying "too many" photos and then adding one yourself ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 14:07, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

First I would like to start doing this to the photos that are not weather related (clouds etc..) For those not familiar with this type of photo ~ hover your mouse cursor over the photo ~
We can have some, but hurricane articles generally do not have galleries. NoahTalk 15:07, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Noah, I'm going to try one (later when I return) ~ I'm not married to it, but just trying to not take away from the article about the hurricane and forcing you to focus on the politics ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 15:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I think this is a better picture to replace the one already there in 'Mainland United States' section. You have Hurricane Dorian on the monitor in the background and you can actually recognize the president. Thoughts? ~mitch~ (talk) 21:12, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
President Trump at FEMA

Usage of knots in info-box

I have removed this value as it does not go with all of the other hurricane and tropical storm articles that use mph and km/h. I propose if we are going to do this going forward that a consensus be put into place. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:04, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@Knowledgekid87: The knot is the dominant unit used by the NHC for scientific purposes, and using knots also eases use of {{convert}} here (important while the article needs to be updated very frequently). If anything, a consensus against the use of the knot will be needed.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
None of the other articles on tropical systems use knots as a unit of measurement, it is potentially confusing to readers. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
2019 Pacific hurricane season#Hurricane Juliette is a counterexample. There's nothing confusing, we give mph and km/h. There's no harm.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:35, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I have started a request for comment as I see it as an issue. We cant go around explaining different articles in different units of measurement. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:36, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Sure we can. The NHC uses knots, which per WP:DUE means we are justified in doing so as well.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:38, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Which is why we need an established practice put into place. If MPH and KM/H are used in different articles then it can cause an issue, the same goes for reading half an article one way and half the other way. I see this as a British English vs. American English sort of issue. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:40, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
And I have not ever come across an article that is incomprehensible due to a WP:ENGVAR choice.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:42, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
If you look under that there is a section on MOS:CONSISTENCY. Units should not be changed if the primary creation editor makes them a certain way. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Which does not apply here. We have an international audience and our audience includes storm trackers. These readers are all used to different units.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Sure it applies here just as international varieties of English apply to articles. There is a reason why we don't mix American and British English on articles. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
And that's because editors will otherwise just edit war over it since no variety is a more natural choice than another in most cases. That's not at all applicable here, where different units can coexist.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:49, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
@Knowledgekid87 and Jasper Deng: I support the usage of knots: Knots have always been used and should continue to be used as it is the main unit of measuring wind speeds by NHC. Jayab314 22:47, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I will wait for others to weigh in, if knots are decided then I propose using the unit in all Tropical cyclone related articles. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:48, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Our audience is different after the storm dissipates. The knot is not as useful when storm trackers don't read as much.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:50, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I support the usage of knots ~ I kinda like this better ~ for all the articles ~ you get all the info you need at the same time ~ Sustained winds: 70 kn (80 mph; 130 km/h) (1-min mean) ~ gusting to 85 kn (100 mph; 155 km/h) ~mitch~ (talk) 23:38, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Added comment ~ "most readers" that fly an airplane ~ command a boat/ship at sea seems to know what a knot is ~ most some readers that only drive a car/truck don't ~ me I still like the three in the info box ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 02:02, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I support the usage of knots. WP:METRIC states "Quantities are typically expressed using an appropriate 'primary unit', displayed first, followed, when appropriate, by a conversion in parentheses." and "The choice of primary units depends on the circumstances, and should respect the principle of 'strong national ties', where applicable: In non-scientific articles with strong ties to the United States, the primary units are US customary, e.g. 97 pounds (44 kg). Sure, you can argue that this is technically a science article, but the way this article is written is not like a science article, but more like a history article. Since knots (or nautical mile) is a US customary unit, having it in this article is necessary. INeedSupport :V 00:35, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • The usage of knots seems a little ridiculous to me, as most readers are not familiar with that unit of measurement. Just stick with mph/kph. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
    • "Most readers" – you underestimate how widely storm trackers use the unit.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:51, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Your reasoning screams WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Knots have been used for a long time with NHC regardless of it not being an SI unit. Even if you're not familiar with the unit, the convert template does the conversions for you. – The Grid (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Free (?) rides

"Uber started offering free roundtrip rides to and from shelters for up to $20." What does this mean? (Wild guess: Rides are free if the normal charge would be $20 or less?) 216.255.165.198 (talk) 21:41, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@216.255.165.198: Yes, normal Uber rides that would cost up to $20 would be free if they are heading to or leaving an emergency shelter. Jayab314 22:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Suggested change - "up to $20 value". - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 05:48, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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