Talk:Hugo Eckener

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Citation for Deutschland II Crash[edit]

This came from a 1996 Hindenburg documentary by The History Channel. Frankyboy5 23:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Old Man?[edit]

What does it mean to be "the old man" of a company? -- Mikeblas 01:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth[edit]

Some sites say he was born 10 May 1868. -- JackofOz (talk) 13:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a cite from the mini-biography by Dr. Broder Schwensen, Städtischer Archivdirektor. The May date came from wikipedia revisions prior to 2005-12-21, which some of those sites must have picked up.-84user (talk) 16:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Probably true in some cases, but not in all cases. Years before WP was invented I made a note of his birth date, from a source (long-since forgotten) that said 10 May. There's got to be some rationale for 10 May, even if it was an error in some old publication that others copied in good faith. I could understand transposing August into a May date (given that he died in August) far more readily than I could accept making up a May date out of thin air. Maybe an 8 was misread as a 5, or vice-versa. My instincts say this needs further investigation. -- JackofOz (talk) 22:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I will look into this too, mainly from the German sources. I'll look at old usenet and archived pages too - but tomorrow. The first web entry that had May was a straight, unattributed, copy from wikipedia. The German mini-biography shows the Flensburg 1924 "honouring letter" and quotes ""Der Doktor der Philosophie Hugo Eckener, geboren zu Flensburg am 10. August 1868,". -84user (talk) 00:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is the lifetime detail (days and weeks?) really relevant information here? 24.36.183.150 (talk) 12:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The unnecessary detail you mention was removed (not by me but I support its removal) by this edit just minutes before. -84user (talk) 21:03, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

As this article has failed to get assessed as B-class due to poor citations and references, here are some facts with supporting sources to hopefully improve it:

Eckener was born on born 10 August 1868 in Flensburg.[1][2][3]

Eckener was the first child of Johann Christoph Eckener and Anna Lange; later two daughters and two more sons were born.[3]

Eckener died 14 August 1954 in Friedrichshafen.[1][2][3]

Eckener was an "indifferent student as a youth".[1][3]

Eckener sailed in the summer and ice skated in the winter.[3]

In 1892 Eckener earned a doctorate[3] in what today might be deemed experimental psychology.[1]

Eckener then began his military service in the Infantry Regiment 86 in Flensburg.[3]

Eckener's mother dies in 1893.[3]

Eckener's early career was as a journalist and editor; by August 1893 he was working for the Flensburger Nachrichten[3], later, around the 1900s he became a correspondent for the Frankfurter Zeitung.[1]

In October 1897 Eckener marries Johanna Maaß.[3]

Eckener met Count Zeppelin in 1908 and accepted the offered public relations post.[1]

Eckener encouraged the German navy to use Zeppelins for long-distance patrols.[1]

Eckener helped found DELAG.[4][2]

Eckener obtained his airship license in 1911.[4][2]

Eckener directed the training of the other Zeppelin pilots from 1911.[4]

(here should go Eckener's activities from 1911 to 1920, sourcing Schwensen)

After World War I the Allies confiscated LZ 120 and restricted Germany's future airship sizes such that they would no longer be usable for passenger traffic.[4]

To get around these restrictions Eckener offered to make a large airship for the USA,[4] and by 1923 had built and personally piloted LZ 126 (to be renamed Los Angeles) on its transatlantic delivery flight to Lakehurst.[4]

Eckener then built the LZ 127 Graf Zeppelin and after one around the world flight and an Arctic flight he was treated as a national hero.[4]

By 1932 the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) had considered running Eckener as a candidate against Hitler[5] for president.[4][3]

The National Socialists came to power in January 1933. An arrest of Eckener in 1933 was intended but blocked by Hindenberg. Hitler met Eckener only one time, in July 1933, but the two barely spoke.[3]

By the War's end Eckener was living in Constance with his daughter.[2][3]

In 1945 Johannes Weyl and Eckener co-found the Südkurier regional newspaper and Eckener starts writing for German-French co-operation.[2][3]

In November 1945 Eckener is confronted with the charge of collaboration with Nazi Germany. In 1947 the French occupying powers fine him 100,000 German Reichsmarks. Many personalities lobby for Eckener's rehabilitation. The judgement was rejected in July 1948 and Eckener was rehabilitated.[3]

Eckener's home town of Flensberg had a Danish-oriented majority in its council since 1945, with a goal of Danish unification. Eckener remained active in local politics campaigning for a German majority in Flensberg, while at the same time, during a "thundering" one hour speech in 1951, warning against small-mindedness in border concerns.[3]

Bibliography

Eckener wrote or contributed to 24 publications,[6] including two books in English:[7]

Eckener, Hugo: Count Zeppelin. The Man and his Work. London: Massie Publishing Company, Ltd. 1938.
Eckener, Hugo: My Zeppelins. London: Putnam 1958.
Notes
  1. ^ a b c d e f g Thomas Adam. p. 289
  2. ^ a b c d e f ostsee.de
  3. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p Schwensen
  4. ^ a b c d e f g h Thomas Adam. p. 290
  5. ^ Social Democratic Party of Germany 18 February 1932 p. 12
  6. ^ German National Library
  7. ^ Nina Nustede
References
  • Hugo Eckener in the German National Library catalogue
  • Schwensen, Broder (August 1996). "Hugo Eckener Leben und Tat des Flensburger Luftschiffers 1868 - 1954" (in German). zusammengestellt und kommentiert vom Städtischen Archivdirektor Dr. Broder Schwensen, Flensburg August 1996
  • Deutsches Historisches Museum, Lebenslauf des Luftschiffpioniers.
  • Bericht über die Atlantiküberquerung des LZ 126 (ZR-3) im Oktober 1924, eine Rede (7. September 1925) von Hugo Eckener.
  • Flensburg Online, Bebilderte Biographie des Luftschiffers.
  • Nustede, Nina. "Englische Auswahlbibliographie zu Zeppelin" (PDF). Retrieved 2009-10-04. - select bibliographic list on the Zeppelin:
    • Bibliography:
      • Eckener, Hugo: Count Zeppelin. The Man and his Work. London: Massie Publishing Company, Ltd. 1938.
      • Eckener, Hugo: My Zeppelins. London: Putnam 1958.
    • Books about Eckener:
      • Dick, Harold G. / Robinson, Douglas H.: The Golden Age of the Great Passenger Airships. Graf Zeppelin & Hindenburg. Washington D.C./London 2nd edition 1987. with chapters: Introduction: The Nazis and Dr. Eckener; Knut Eckener and His Father; Airship Flight Procedures as Taught by Hugo Eckener.
      • Meyer, Henry Cord: Airshipmen, Businessmen and Politics 1890 – 1940. Washington/London: Smithsonian Institution Press/Airlife Publishing Ltd. 1991. with chapters: Eckener’s Struggle to Save the Airship for Germany, 1919-1929; Politics, Personality, and Technology: Airships in the Manipulations of Dr. Hugo Eckener and Lord Thomson, 1919-1930.
      • Payne, Lee: Lighter than Air. An Illustrated History of the Airship. London: Thomas Yoseloff Ltd 1977. with chapter: Hugo Eckener and the Graf Zeppelin.
  • "ostsee.de Infocenter - Hugo Eckener" (in German). ostsee.de. Retrieved 2009-10-04. - short biography from long-standing ostsee.de site
  • Adam, Thomas (2005). Germany and the Americas: culture, politics, and history; Germany and the Americas: culture, politics, and history; Transatlantic relations series; Volume 1 of Germany and the Americas: Culture, Politics, and History : a Multidisciplinary Encyclopedia. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 1851096280. ISBN-13: 9781851096282. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) - pages 289-290 with:
    • born 1868-08-10 Flensburg, died 1954-08-14 Friedrichshafen; "indifferent student as a youth", doctorate "what today would be known as experimental psychology", early career as journalist, correspondent for Frankfurter Zeitung, music and art critic, skeptical about airships, meets Zeppelin in 1908 and accepts public relations post, ... World War 1, assumed control of Zeppelin Work, after flights was "lionized" as national hero, discussions on running for president in 1932 against Hitler, conflict with Nazis, ... 1937 ... retirement
  • "Glossen; Erscheint Nach Bedarf" (PDF). Sozialdemokratischer Pressedienst (in German). Social Democratic Party of Germany. 1932-02-18. pp. 11–12. Retrieved 2009-10-04. Esser sorgt vor. Der Nazimann Esser hat einer Zorn auf Dr. Eckener gefasst, weil er für Hindenburg eingetreten ist. Esser fürchtet Eckener auch noch, weil er einmal als Kandidat gegen Hitler gennant wurde. Kan man wissen, was kommt noch? Also gedachte Esser, Herrn Eckener vorsorglich durch einen fürchterlichen Schlag zu erledigen. Da nannte er ihn in einer Münchener Versammlung den "Direktor der fliegenden Weisswurst". - scans of original Social Democratic Party of Germany press publication, rough translation: Esser worries. The Nazi Esser fixed his anger against Eckener because he has stood for Hindenburg. Esser still fears Eckener because he was once named as a candidate against Hitler. Who knows what will come? Therefore Esser intended that Eckener should be "finished" (stopped? killed?) by a frightful stroke/strike. In a Munich meeting he called him "the director of the flying white sausage".

Maybe, more sources later. -84user (talk) 19:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Am Schandpfahl der Geschicte" (PDF). Sozialdemokratischer Pressedienst (in German). Berlin: Social Democratic Party of Germany. 1931-07-29. p. 9. Retrieved 2009-10-04. SPD. Riga, 29.Juli (Eig.Drahtb.) Das Luftschiff "Graf Zeppelin" befindet sich seit Mittwoch-Vormittag auf dem Rückwege nach Leningrad. Es hat nachmittags um 4,30 Uhr die Insel von Kap Schelanja überquert. Eckener hofft, Leningrad am Donnerstag gegen Abend zu erreichen und beabsichtigt, noch in der Nacht zum Freitag nach Berlin starten zu können. Das Luftschiff war in Anbetracht der starken Mitternachtsonne in der Arktis 40 Stunden ohne jede Funkverbindung. ... "Resolute" ... - scans of original Social Democratic Party of Germany press publication

- 84user (talk) 20:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC) Added initial list of sourced facts. -84user (talk) 21:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Sidelined'[edit]

"After the destruction of the Hindenburg, the nearly-completed LZ-130 Graf Zeppelin was redesigned as a helium-filled ship, although, owing to geo-political considerations, the American helium was not available. Thus the ship never began commercial service."

This isn't entirely true. The Hindenburg had been designed to use Helium as the lifting gas, but Hugo was unable to convince the USA government to allow the supply of Helium, so LZ129 used Hydrogen. The LZ130, Graf Zeppelin II, was almost indentical to LZ129 and also designed to use Helium. After the LZ129 crashed, the Airships were no longer viable as passenger craft (no one would use them) so the Graf Zeppelin and Graf Zeppelin II were used as freight and political craft only. Hitler ordered their dismantlement and the material to be used for airoplane construction at the start of WWII. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.94.162 (talk) 17:44, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Star Wars character of the same name[edit]

There is a Star Wars character named Hugo Eckener, an architect and member of the Naboo Royal Advisory Council. See http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hugo_Eckener

Should this be added to "In popular culture" section? Josh-Levin@ieee.org (talk) 15:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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