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Hossana Hossana Hossana

Untitled[edit]

A couple of questions: Should the notice about the text from Encyclopaedia Britannica be placed somewhere else in the article (like at the top or the bottom), and also, is it legal to quote the definitions from the various lexicons? I don't quite see that it would be fair use, but I must admit that I have no idea. –Benjamin (talk) 02:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hosanna in Judaism?[edit]

I'm not so sure about Hosanna being used in Judaism. Hoshana, yes, on the autumn holiday of Sukkot, but only as mentioned later in the article. There is nothing liturgical in Judaism, however about Hosanna, rather Hoshana. I am therefore not too sure about this intro. Valley2city 08:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As the article says, 'Hosanna' comes from 'Hoshana', but Judaism doesn't use the Greek-influenced spelling/pronunciation. I'll try and clear that up in the article. — Gareth Hughes 14:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-up please![edit]

"Therefore, it may be derived that this plea for help is out of an agreeably positive connotation." ??? What sort of a sentence is that? Please can someone rewrite this to make sense? --A R King (talk) 09:19, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone write a proper etymology section?[edit]

The etymology section as it stands is merely a list of quotes from different sources. Someone with linguistic and philological skills, and who really knows the subject, is needed to synthesise that information into a proper encyclopaedic style. What stands there now is a cop-out, although I can appreciate that it is the best that can be done unless and until someone with sufficient knowledge fixes it. --A R King (talk) 09:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm definitely not the one, sorry for that... Even worse, I'd like to add to this mess, as I just found that in Coptic (Egyptian) language hos means "to praise" (check [1]). Now there's the question for that aforementioned wise person to decide whether it's just a borrowing resulting from acceptance of Christianity and its terminology by early Copts or a real source of this morpheme. 83.31.66.192 (talk) 06:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC) Slamazzar[reply]
It could be argued that providing the lexical references allows people to come to an educated theory aided by the summary statement in the Christianity section. Perhaps just a summary statement concerning most common usage should be appended to the lexical entries. Berdwa (talk) 03:27, 11 April 2011 (UT)

I agree. I am working on it. --Farzaneh (talk) 13:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Similar word in other language[edit]

The word "Hosanna" is similar in spelling and area of semantics to a sanskrit word "Ghosanna", meaning proclamation, specially of kings. Ghosanna was some kind of a salute and an acknowledgement, such as the roman "Ave". Some of the peoples in the vicinity of Israel, for example the hitites, were of european origin,language and culture, and the sanskrit is an european origin language, with similarities to one of the three dialects of classical greek. As the monarchy arrived to Israel, as stated in the Bible, because of the desire of israelites of having a king like their neighbours had, that kind of word transfer may have accompanied the imitation of the political institution. European cultures had a somewhat homogeneous social structure, with a division in priests, warriors, artisans and peasants, in this hierarchical order. In semitic cultures, for example the etruscans, it seems that the king had both the political and religious authority. The sovereignity of Israel 2000 years ago was de facto in the roman hands. When Pontio Pilatus wrote "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudeorum", he was transferring the sovereignity of Israel lying in Rome to Jesus Christ. The people of Israel,as written in the Gospel, transferred their sovereignity to Rome when they shouted "we have no other king than the Cesar"; soon later, Pilatus erected Christ as King of the jews by his Roman power, delegation of that of the Cesar, as ambassadors agreements have the same validity as those of the head of the state they represent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrosay (talk • contribs) 20:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's interesting, except that in Hebrew Hosha Na is two words (Hosha=save Na=please). On Simchat Torah the form is Hoshiya Na (also two words. Hosha is clearly a Semitic root meaning "save", used in many other forms including the name of Joshua, Hosea and others. Pedantrician (talk) 23:49, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In Islam[edit]

I removed a paragraph which was unclear and in the wrong part of the article anyway. It stated that "the word is the call for Hussian bin Ali bin Abi Talib"... (626-680 CE). See this edit. There is no mention of the word Hosanna or similar in the article on Hussein ibn Ali. Does it mean that people cry out something like "Hosayn–a" on the Day of Ashura? if so a citation would be needed before mentioning it in an appropriate part of this article. – Fayenatic (talk) 10:26, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This has now been explained with Arabic text and transliterations. Citations have been provided to Youtube videos and religious pages, although none of these meet the definition of WP:reliable sources, and I reduced the number cited in the article. Perhaps someone can back it up from a reference work or independent media coverage describing the Day of Ashura. – Fayenatic (talk) 14:34, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that "Hosainna" is used in Arabic to mean "Save now" rather than "Our Hosain" appears to be misleading, and will be removed shortly unless a citation is added. – Fayenatic (talk) 10:33, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think this section should be removed unless someone can point out a reliable source indicating these two words are etymologically related. The Arabic Hosainna is from the root حسن meaning good, whereas Hosanna has Latin and Greek roots. --Farzaneh (talk) 12:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article clearly states "a similar but unrelated word". I don't believe the article provides enough justification at its current state for mentioning this if it's unrelated. Will be removed unless justification is provided. --Farzaneh (talk) 13:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I suggest that it would be permissible to add an entry under "See also":

Day of Ashura, when Shia Muslims commemorate the death of Hussein ibn Ali with the cry Wa Hussaina ("our Hussain")

– Fayenatic (talk) 20:13, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That would be a good idea, except for one thing: there is no evidence these words are at all related, apart from vaguely sounding similar. I don't believe this is enough justification for mentioning it. We could leave it open for the editor to come back with reliable sources. Coincidentally, It is Ashura today. --Farzaneh (talk) 14:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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To save[edit]

Can we go ahead and put the word salvation in the article? -Inowen (nlfte) 21:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Wiktionary[edit]

Add a link to https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hosanna . It has more details. Jidanni (talk) 00:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]