Talk:History of Shropshire

This article needs serious work done to it. Please help if you can! David 23:26, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Etymology

"Scrobbesbyrigscīr" (literally Shrewsburyshire)is correct as the county name offered in Domesday. The sounds of the Anglo-Saxon (OE) word Scrobbesbyrigscīr is phonetically identical to the modern translation Shrewsburyshire. So, why would a county under Edward the Confessor be named after the builder of a castle near Ludlow?Moonraker55 (talk) 22:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

"However, the Normans who ruled England after 1066 found both "Scrobbesbyrig" and "Scrobbesbyrigscir" difficult to pronounce so they softened them to "Salopesberia" and "Salopescira". Salop is the abbreviation of these." where is the evidence for this? I don't doubt that there was an introduction of the term Salop and the "Salopesberia" and "Salopescira" both occur in charters at different times. The problem with having such a large proportion of the population unable to read, and an even greater proportion unable to write in a particular language is evident in the development of most place-names. Local people, such as in the juries that informed the commissioners of the Domesday books, were often entirely illiterate and they were unable to give guidance to the scribes who were versed, perhaps gifted, in Latin and/or Norman-French, about the precise spelling of the English names. Consequently the scribes worked on phonetic best guesses. As generations passed the names varied for the same reason, and the original names were often actually lost along the way as an emergent name became the standard form. The story as it is given in the article is possibly true, but I can think of a number of other more likely scenarios. So, back to my question, where is the evidence? Without that evidence the article should be reworded, omitting the speculation or amending the sentence to confirm that it is speculation. For example "Some believe that the Normans who ruled England after 1066 found both "Scrobbesbyrig" and "Scrobbesbyrigscir" difficult to pronounce so they softened them to "Salopesberia" and "Salopescira". Salop is the abbreviation of these." Moonraker55 (talk) 22:48, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Richard Baxter garrisoned Wem?

Wem is stated to have been "garrisoned by Richard Baxter" in 1645. Baxter was that year away at Coventry as a military chaplain and roundhead preacher. I would understand "garrisoned" means commanding/organising the defences and manpower but would he/did he do that? For that reason I have deleted the reference - it can be reinstated if someone can find a citeable account that demonstrates such involvement with Wem.Cloptonson (talk) 22:28, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

The wikipedia article on Wem states the fortifications at Wem were laid down by Sir William Brereton, one of the regional parliamentary commanders, while that on Baxter does not mention him being in Wem. The article on the English Civil War in Shropshire places the garrisoning of Wem in 1643, so I have today corrected the dating accordingly.Cloptonson (talk) 16:47, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

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