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Ali Kemal Meram[edit]

This book can not be used as a source because resources are not given in the book! "Ali Kemal Meram, Padişah Anaları, Öz Yayınları, 1977"--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 09:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why ? In the link of google books we can show only Helen. But in this book author wrote anası (Handan Sultan) takma adlı Yunanlı Helen.Takabeg (talk) 12:06, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Handan Sultan[edit]

She was not a descendant of Mahidevrans Family, nore she was a Muslima of birth.

Handan is well known as Helena a Greek slave girl who came in the Harem.

In the Ottoman Defter (list) all is well document, in the Topkapi Arsiv.

If you want please ask them or any living Member of the Ottoman Dynasty.

Mahidevran is no Ancestress of any living Members of the Ottoman Dynasty.

Since this series Muhtesem yüzyil, Mahidevran Fans claimed such false statemants.

Handan Sultan[edit]

Sorry, this is not vandalizm, but Handan Sultan had no connection to Circassian or Mahidevran.

I saw many Articles here about woman of the ottoman Dynasty, since Muhtesem yüzyil series always made false statemants by this so called Mahidevran Fans.

In the Ottoman Harem at this Time there was no circassian, or any own cousin of a Ottoman Prince.

There is nor source who claimed before this series that Handan was a Circassian and a relative to Mahidevran.

She was a Greek and her name was Helena when she enter in the Harem.

This storys of some Valide sultanas are a joke...only written by one person...

Handan Sultan was a native greek girl named Helena and she came into the harem as all the other girls as slave.

Best regards

Where are the sournce that she was circassian?[edit]

There is no Source given, that she was a Circassian and reltated to any other Womans in the Harem like Halime and Mahfiruz. Handan was always given as a native Greek named Helen, when came in the Harem she became the name Handan. Also at this Time 1603 there was no circassian nobles in the Harem. This was not the system in the Harem to have Noble Girls from any caucasian/circassian muslim dynasty's. Also the same as by the Jenijarries.

Circassian Nobles came in the Harem in the Time when Abdülaziz was reigned since 1861. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nalanidil (talk • contribs) 01:07, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good Nalanidil, Now you are doing it the proper way and discussing. The sources given do not support her being a Circassian but Greek and so I changed the text to reflect this fact. Source 1-Source 2.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 01:23, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]