Talk:Hachijō language/Archive 1

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Izakaya

The website of an izakaya is, contrary to this edit, hardly an "Official site" of the island on which the izakaya stands. And therefore this later edit of mine.

Or do I misunderstand something? (Any comment, Kwamikagami or Makkachin?) -- Hoary (talk) 00:05, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

The status of 八丈方言

It seems that the title of the article was changed from "Hachijô dialect" to "Hachijô language" relatively recently. Judging from the History of the entry, some user claimed the UNESCO considered it a separate language and therefore was changed. Well, that was wrong. If you check the UNESCO site carefully, you will see it states "the Hachijō and Aogashima Islands of the Izu Archipelago south of Tokyo; an outlying dialect of Japanese not listed at all by the SIL". Plus, the name of the source the contributor to UNESCO provided is titled "The tense-aspect system and evidentiality in the Hachijo dialect", by Mr. Akira Kaneda. Therefore, the title of the article should be reverted to Hachijô dialect.

As evidenced, UNESCO does not only report on endangered languages, but also endangered dialects. This can be seen to in the case of Pontic Greek, which is not a separate language, and it is included in the list by UNESCO. Among he info regarding this variety of Greek, you can see in the website an excerpt which reads: " an outlying dialect of Greek".

Hope you consider my proposition. Best regards.

M tartessos (talk) 09:02, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Third or Fourth branch?

From the article Ryukyuan people: Their languages make up the Ryukyuan languages,[1] considered to be one of the two branches of the Japonic language family, the other being Japanese and its dialects.[2] Hachijō is sometimes considered to be the third branch.[3]

Whereas this article states: The small group of Hachijō or Hachijōjima dialects are the most divergent form of Japanese or form an independent fourth branch of Japonic.[4] Grunners (talk) 19:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

That sentence references this article by Thomas Pellard: https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-01856152/document. Except that Pellard doesn't claim Hachijo as a fourth branch. Rather, it's tentatively placed as a third branch of Japonic. Given that, feel free to correct the claim. — Io Katai ᵀᵃˡᵏ 15:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Masami Ito (12 May 2009). "Between a rock and a hard place". The Japan Times. Retrieved 5 February 2017.
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference Minahan was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ "Did you know Hachijo is endangered?". Endangered Languages. Retrieved 2020-04-06.
  4. ^ Thomas Pellard. The comparative study of the Japonic languages. Approaches to endangered languages in Japan and Northeast Asia: Description, documentation and revitalization, National Institute for Japanese Language and Linguistics, Aug 2018, Tachikawa, Japan. ffhal-01856152
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