Talk:HMCS Forest Hill

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Requested move 17 June 2019[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Editors agree that the "HMCS Forrest Hill" spelling should also be mentioned in the lead section. (non-admin closure) — Newslinger talk 06:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

HMCS Forrest Hill → HMCS Forest Hill – I believe that the single "r" spelling is correct. While some references in the article do show a "rr" spelling others, Honour Atlantic 1939-1945, show a single "r". In addition several other sources I found show the single "r" spelling including the Government of Canada. The crest at Canadian War Museum. This newspaper photo. The Imperial War Museum in the UK. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 12:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1) Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships, 1922-46, p. 63, 2) Corvettes Canada pp. 161, 224 state the double r. Conversely, in Canada's Fighting Ships and The Naval Service Vol.2 and Colledge and Warlow, it is named Forest Hill. There seems to be disagreement over the spelling. A lead saying HMCS Forest Hill, alternatively spelled Forrest Hill, would be acceptable. Or vice versa. But Forrest Hill has to be in there somewhere, to cover all the sources. Llammakey (talk) 12:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Canadian Navy List for January 1945 ^[1] Shows Lt Brebner & SLt Hulbert (among others) as serving on Forest Hill. I believe this must be regarded as authoritative. Since the entry in Conway appears to be the only reference to Forrest Hill is this just an isolated typo? Subspace1250 (talk) 13:20, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hold on, you ask me for sources, I give you two. You ignore one, and claim your primary document is the authoritative source, even though we are supposed to use secondary sources. I only gave you a couple because I'm at work and not in front of my library at the moment. As for typos, Colledge and Warlow, the Naval Service 2 and Canada's Fighting Ships are all, all rife with typos and errors. How can you say one source has typos and not the others? That amounts to cherry-picking your favourite. Llammakey (talk) 14:32, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, the Navy List also has HMCS LaSalle spelled La Salle, Cap de la Madeleine hyphenated, and Copper Cliff spelled Coppercliff. So what is it, only some of the vessels have their names spelled correctly in the Navy List? Specifically the ones you want changed? Llammakey (talk) 15:00, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed my wording was loose. Elliot, Allied Escort Ships of World War II p198, Lenton, British and Empire Warships p281, Lambert & Brown, Flower class Corvettes p72 all use Forest Hill. So the majority of secondary sources lean towards the single 'r'. I just noted two entries in the Navy List to check there was not a one-off typo there. Finally the town is spelled with the single 'r'. However I agree that many books contain typos but was not aware that the Navy List was also questionable. Subspace1250 (talk) 15:32, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Which is why I say if we make the move to Forest Hill, that the lead state that the name is alternatively spelled Forrest Hill. That covers all the sources and avoids us having to parse every source and tally them to see which has more. I'm fine with it being Forest Hill as long as all the sources are covered with that mention. I don't want to have to go through this same argument again whenever the next person prefers a source that says Forrest Hill, like the original creator did. Cover our bases now and we won't have this yo-yoing. Llammakey (talk) 16:26, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That seems a sensible way to go. As you say it should cover all points. Subspace1250 (talk) 05:52, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the above, I agree. Support the move, but include the alternative spelling in the initial sentence. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ CFB Esquimalt Naval & Military Museum. "The Navy List". Retrieved 17 June 2019.

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[1] CFB Esquimalt Naval & Military Museum. "The Navy List". Retrieved 17 June 2019.

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