Talk:Grandma Gatewood
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removed PROD[edit]
This article was put up for PROD deletion, with statement "dated prod / concern = Does not conform to standard of notability, i.e. person known only for one event. See WP:BIO1E". I checked that, it's about cases when a person is known primarily for one event, and the issue is whether the article should be about the event or about the person. Reading that guideline and this article, it seems to me the article about the person, as is, is better than converting it to be an article about "First completion of Appalachian Trail by a woman in one season". So I removed the prod. Note, also, there is apparently an SI issue and other sources which may add to this article eventually. Notable, documented, reliable sources, this seems fine to me. doncram (talk) 05:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- Apparently, documentation, reliable sources, significance of the event and the event vs. person argument are not sufficient to override the "person known only for one event" rule for biographies. See also WP:BLP1E. See this discussion for the apparent consensus that all of the above are irrelevant if the person is known only for the one event. There is no evidence that Grandma Gatewood is known for anything other than that one event. Therefore, using the logic in the Michael Dodge discussion, she deserves no page on Wikipedia. Age Happens (talk) 06:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- I put a good bit of work into it, inserted the Sports Illustrated reference Doncram mentions, dug up her obituary to get her actual birth and death dates, corrected birth year, number of children, put in place of birth, information about Grandma Gatewood Trail, as well as her hiking and trail club affiliations, reorganized the article. It would be a shame to erase the legacy of such a remarkable woman who was quite the center of media attention when alive and is still the subject of articles and campfire conversation 35 years after her death. There is also an annual Grandma Gatewood hike in Hocking Hills that she apparently participated in when she was alive as well as information about her long walks prior to tackling the Appalachian Trail that need to be added. Just a fascinating and inspiring sportswoman. Drawn Some (talk)
- It seems odd that you would choose the Michael Dodge deletion discussion as a precedent given the fact that that discussion has not yet been closed. And as I read the Dodge discussion, it appears to be less about the applicability of the 1-event rule than about whether the event in question was notable. The substantial coverage given to Gatewood's event and subsequent life suggests sufficient notability to warrant an article here. -- Mwanner | Talk 15:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well User:Age Happens did say "apparent consensus" and give us a link to the AfD in progress. But, I agree with Mwanner that the Michael Dodge case seems different, and a key matter is that Dodge may never in fact practice "space law" and it is likely he may never be heard from again, while Gatewood was heard from plenty, and is celebrated to this day. Someone can become famous primarily for involvement in one event, and if they stay in the news, or return to the news, then they are notable. Consider, say, Lee Harvey Oswald, known mostly for involvement in one assassination, and then murdered for reasons relating to the first event. Funny there should be WP:BLP1E guideline in addition to the WP:BIO1E, too; i wasn't familiar with either of these. doncram (talk) 16:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Later life and death[edit]
Why no information about her later life and death? It is an article about the person, after all. I'm not familiar with Wikipedia Law, but it appears to be a biographical article, so the information would be appropriate. Is this due to lack of reliable sources, or is it an intentional thing intended to avoid invasion of privacy? AnnaGoFast (talk) 05:25, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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page title unencyclopedic[edit]
The page title of "Grandma Gatewood" looks unencyclopedic if not disrespectful (cf notorious headline "San Diego mother wins Nobel prize", for Maria Goeppert Mayer in 1967). It would be better if the title of this biography was her actual name. Grandma Gatewood could still be a re-route.--Wuerzele (talk) 23:29, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- I agree. Changing at least the intro from "better known" to "known", because how is that better? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
- When I hiked the AT in 1961, residents along the trail had some great Great Grandma Gatewood tales to share.Georgejdorner (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Proposed anecdote deletion - now deleted[edit]
I propose to delete the following paragraph under Biography - Hiking career because I don't think it adds anything to the article, and I have not been able to find an original contemporaneous source for the quotation:
In 1970, at age 83, while visiting Appalachian Outfitters in Oakton, Virginia she was asked what she thought about the latest lightweight backpacking gear. Emma advised: "Make a rain cape, and an over the shoulder sling bag, and buy a sturdy pair of Keds tennis shoes. Stop at local groceries and pick up Vienna sausages... most everything else to eat you can find beside the trail... and by the way those wild onions are not called "Ramps"... they are "Rampions" ... a ramp is an inclined plane."[citation needed]