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--Vermapriya1986 (talk) 11:15, 6 March 2011 (UTC)--Vermapriya1986 (talk) 11:09, 6 March 2011 (UTC)It's not about promoting people its all about making Wikipedia more relevant with this kind of Article .Govind Kumar Singh is very popular and Talented Youth Icon in India . He is appreciated nationally and Internationally , recently he won India's Leading Lifestyle TV reality show Let's Design .This article has all references . If any further formating is required ,feel free to suggest . I think this page should not be deleted because its very relevant page in Wikipedia . Please don't remove this page , i will surely do necessary formating and changes . http://in.news.yahoo.com/success-encourage-youth-bihar-designer-govind-singh-20110225-024558-216.html http://www.cottonusa.org/whatsnew.cfm?Itemnumber=3551 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vermapriya1986 (talk • contribs) 10:24, 6 March 2011 (UTC) http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report_how-green-is-your-wardrobe_1499977 http://www.southasianews.com/NewsPrint.asp?nid=630560 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vermapriya1986 (talk • contribs) 10:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC) http://www.deccanherald.com/content/132464/interpretation-cotton.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vermapriya1986 (talk • contribs) 11:00, 6 March 2011 (UTC) --Vermapriya1986 (talk) 11:09, 6 March 2011 (UTC) --Vermapriya1986 (talk) 11:15, 6 March 2011 (UTC)http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/LIF-go-green-with-your-wardrobe-1795816.html --Vermapriya1986 (talk) 11:15, 6 March 2011 (UTC)http://www.job.indiablooms.com/FashionnewsDetailsPage/fashionnewsDetails170211a.php[reply]

This is very important article and there is no reason to keep this page under conflict of interest , this article has been written under natural point of view and Wikipedia's direction . I would like to request you please remove "conflict of interest" tag from this article . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vermapriya1986 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright & general state of the article[edit]

A contributor keeps trying to asset a format to this article which in my opinion is ridiculous and, in some areas, contrary to Wikipedia policy. Having a section for each award, where each section then comprises 2 or 3 sentences looks wrong and is unnecessary. Mentioning the judges is trivia in the extreme and Singh does not gain notability because of his tangential connection to them. There is a desperate need for citations and there is a need for images that are definitely not copyrighted.

And that last point is tricky because the contributor who has been supplying images has on several occasions been found to be uploading copyrighted pictures. I know that I am supposed to assume good faith but when someone claims something is their own work and it turns out to be published under copyright elsewhere, well, it becomes difficult to make any assumption of that sort. There appears at present to be one particular picture in dispute: I commented it out (ie: did not delete it) because I am 99% sure it is a copyvio but need to look into it futher. Wikipedia policies say that all copyvios must be removed immediately; my commenting out is a halfway house but based on a certain history and also on the suspicious nature of the photo itself - the quality, the need to have access to take it etc would all suggest that this is a professional work but there is no indication that the contributor is a professional. In fact, the past copyvios suggests that xe is not because no pro photographer of repute would tolerate violations of a colleague's work. Sorry, but that's how it is at the moment. - Sitush (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Non-English sources for citations[edit]

Per Wikipedia:LINK#Non-English-language_sites, linking to non-English sites on English wikipedia is not usually a great idea. There is currently one citation in this article that is non-English and I would be astonished if an English equivalent does not exist somewhere. Does anyone know of one, please? - Sitush (talk) 16:02, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About deleting references ,contents , format ,from page Govind Kumar Sinhg by user Sitush[edit]

--Vermapriya1986 (talk) 03:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC) User Sitush has changed my article Govind Kumar Sinhg he has deleted all important informations from this page please help me out , i am not able to change my page , or put informations in this page , he is deleting every thing from this page , i thin he has personal issues with this person , he is intensionally deleting all informations , please help me out , how to short out this problem i am new users , i put my hard work to create , collect all informations for this article he is quite irresponsible , please help me to block this person .He is having personal issie with this article please block this IP address for edting , I dont have any issue with any other he thing but he has deleted all referenes from this page and if you will see he is the only person who is eding this page everytime i am sure he has personal issue with his article , he is the only person who is having problems with this ,why he has changed format of page , why he has deleted all importent references , he has also deleted inmportent informations form this page this page beome useless , the page is all ready apreciated by previous editor as u can see in my talk page there are so many rferences wich was there in this page he has deleted everything t --Vermapriya1986 (talk) 03:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This issue has been explained multiple times on the IRC Chat and on your talk page. He has no personal issue with this article, but when information is added that violates copyright it becomes a legal problem for Wikipedia, so the content must be removed. You need to explain why the information should be added back, instead of calling other users 'irresponsible' and saying that they have 'personal issues' with the article. You are asking all of these 'why this' and 'why that' questions that have already been answered multiple times in multiple places. You are also thinking of it as your page, which it is not. Please use this talk page constructively to explain why the information should be added back. Thank you. - SudoGhost (talk) 04:18, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the edit history for the article then you will see my edit summaries. I deliberately did the changes in small chunks, summarising the reason for each one. That should explain to you why things were deleted, moved, rephrased, added or whatever. In particular, there is no need to include a multitude of citations for any one statement if those citations add nothing further - they are repetitive and pointless. I am beginning to become a little concerned at your personal attacks and would urge you to read (and accept) the many comments that other, uninvolved people have made on IRC< your talk page, their talk pages etc regarding this issue. Taking the scatter-gun approach that you have done to vent your annoyance could actually be construed as a breach of WP:CANVASS. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 09:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fashion Bangalore[edit]

Fashion Bangalore is used as a reference for several statements in this article. Is it a reliable source? I ask because on the About page for that website it says that it is an aggregator - who knows where the content has come from, and whether it is reliable or not? There appear to be no by-lines and the thing is being operated using blog software (WordPress). I've got some doubts about this. Thoughts? - Sitush (talk) 22:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

--Vermapriya1986 (talk) 03:25, 24 March 2011 (UTC)yes it is a realiable source , its India's one of the best Fashion News realted website , Dear Sitush you are the only who has this much of confusion . Its realiabel source so dont worry . thaks .--Vermapriya1986 (talk) 03:39, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
On what basis do you think it is reliable? Saying it is "one of the best" etc is a rather empty rationale as far as I can see. Do you know where its content comes from, who writes it, who owns zero484, how long it has been going (not long from what I can see), who says it is "one of the best" etc. And please, please will you stop the personal attacks. - Sitush (talk) 07:56, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a Google search on the zero484 business which operates Fashion Bangalore. It returns 2,130 results. The business itself is therefore unlikely to be notable and I had no response from the contributing editor prior to their block for socking today, although that editor made other contributions. I'm inclined to remove it as not being a [WP:RS|reliable source], even though this will leave substantial parts of the article unreferenced. I have also raised this at the reliable sources noticeboard. Thoughts? - Sitush (talk) 21:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it appears to be powered by Wordpress, which is a blog hosting service. I don't know if that makes it a blog, but if it is a blog, I think that falls under WP:SPS. Alexa[1] shows it at 42,505 in India, and a general traffic rank of 336,694. This is much higher than other general fashion websites focued in India. I know this has no bearing on reliability, but its something to take into consideration. Further than that I have no experience with this subject and anything else I say would simply be speculation. - SudoGhost (talk) 21:23, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Never come across Alexa before - looks like it might be a generally useful tool if I can figure out how to interpret the data it presents. You've picked up on the blog point I raised but the issue that it of greater concern to me is the aggregator point, bearing in mind that it does not actually name its sources (unlike, say, a newspaper which says a story came from a newswire etc). I have some experience of Indian website practices and even the country's government websites occasionally breach copyright and rely on sources which have proven to be circular. This is particularly notable on government sites about cities etc, where the government source has actually turned out to be an unacknowledged copy/paste of Wikipedia articles, who then cite it in reverse! I'm extremely concerned that circularity, not necessarily involving WP articles, may apply to any aggregator site that does not name its sources. It is the way rumours become truth, I'm afraid.
If I remove the citations then perhaps someone will turn up with reliable ones eventually. - Sitush (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Top upcoming designer award 2011[edit]

--Vermapriya1986 (talk) 16:29, 24 March 2011 (UTC)Top upcoming Indian designer award 2011 won by Govind Kumar Singh i have updated so many time with references in this article but every time Sitush is deleting this information its very impotent information about this person how can any one delete this . I am giving reference here also so that every one can see that and this user should be block for editing this page , Administrators please block this user and IP address he is just editing everything I think page should be like that : - Govind Kumar Singh(Hindi:गोविन्द कुमार सिंह)is a professional Fashion Designer and 2011 Let’s Design winner from Bihar who debuted his career in the design industry. Govind won the 3rd season of design based reality show Let’s Design and was awarded Top upcoming Indian Designer 2011 . http://in.news.yahoo.com/success-encourage-youth-bihar-designer-govind-singh-20110225-024558-216.html , so I am updating now dont change the article .--Vermapriya1986 (talk) 16:29, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The information is already there, being the first bit in the Recognition section. It has always been there during my period of editing. I'm not convinced that mentioning one award from a minor TV channel in the lead achieves anything. Surely it is better to say there that he has won severa awards. - Sitush (talk) 16:55, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, C.Fred has gone even further than I dared in the circumstances. He is right but I can only do so much -I'm getting accused of all sorts now. - Sitush (talk) 16:57, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The introduction should be an overview of the subject; however, phrases like "is an award-winning" should not be used in the intro. That's why I removed the blanket statement about him winning several awards.
On the surface, the item that provides him the most notability—at least to the general reader—is winning Let's Design. That's why I chose to mention that he's appeared on two series* of the show and won the 2011 competition. (* Usage question: I have assumed that the British convention of a multi-year show having several series applies here. Is this correct, or in Indian English, does a long show have multiple seasons, mirroring American usage?) —C.Fred (talk) 17:08, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My problem was the way it was being expressed: "Top upcoming designer" was what the user wanted in there + a repetitive citation. I've massively cut the number of citations (which were repetitive - often the same press release - or did not support the statement etc), removed clear text/image copyvios as well as probable ones, merged one-sentence sections etc and all the thanks I'm getting for it to be be called all sorts of names by someone who seems to think they own the article. Frankly, though, I feel sometimes like giving up. I only came to this because it was in the broken reflists category (several times) and it has been nothing but trouble since. The article is way better than it was and if it were not for the fact that it keeps getting reverted, usually without explanation in the edit summary or here, then I'd be long gone on to other, more useful work. No idea about seasons/series but suspect the latter because I've seen it referred to that way in at least one cite. - Sitush (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
--Vermapriya1986 (talk) 17:35, 24 March 2011 (UTC)Top upcoming designer is Most Impotent thing to mention in this article because this award made him well know designer so please do not remove this award . I think this should be mentioned there .[reply]
I've no intention of editing the lead as it currently stands. I can live with it. However, your statement above is, I think, impossible to prove - finding a cite for that being the award that made him well-known would be difficult given his previous representation of India etc. These things tend to be cumulative (in my not very experienced opinion!). - Sitush (talk) 17:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
--Vermapriya1986 (talk) 18:09, 24 March 2011 (UTC)why are you deleting every thing , first you discuess on talk page than i will edit it , do not change anything from article .Thanks --Vermapriya1986 ([[User[reply]

talk:Vermapriya1986|talk]]) 18:09, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

For the love of ... Can anyone get grip of this? It is ridiculous and has consumed the time of numerous people, including on IRC. Every time, it has been the world against Vermapriya1986 & every time I get the entire blame for it. - Sitush (talk) 18:45, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vermapriya1986, I'm afraid that's not how Wikipedia works. You seem to be under the impression that the article 'belongs' to you, but as it says below 'Save Page' when editing an article, "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." Articles are a collaboration between editors, who discuss any changes and reverts on the talk page in order to reach a consensus about disputed changes to the article. - SudoGhost (talk) 18:50, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

wills lifestyle debut results[edit]

(talk) Will Lifestyle Debut 2010 result please do not remove go through the link and add this in article http://www.willssport.com/Season21/wlsdebut/results.html

The citation has little or no context, as explained previously. - Sitush (talk) 05:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am telling you again do not delete any information read this result which is there in Wills Life style website

Name Registration No. Institute Name Aarzu Hasnain WLS-10-0008 Pearl Academy of Fashion, ND Damneet Kaur WLS-10-0012 NIFT, New Delhi Harpriya Kaur WLS-10-0014 NIFT, New Delhi Pooja Rajgariha WLS-10-0016 NIFT, New Delhi Pranita Mujgelwar WLS-10-0020 National Institute of Design, Ahd Shreyasi Srivastava WLS-10-0022 NIFT, New Delhi Sharath Prasad WLS-10-0027 National Institute of Design, Ahd Lovleen Dhillon WLS-10-0030 National Institute of Design, Ahd Deepika Ramani WLS-10-0031 Pearl Academy of Fashion, ND Amit Shrivastava WLS-10-0038 NIFT, Gandhi Nagar Aneesa Chishti WLS-10-0040 NIFT, New Delhi Darshana Tatibandwala WLS-10-0041 National Institute of Design, Ahd Richana Khumanthem WLS-10-0044 NIFT, New Delhi Ankit Mishra WLS-10-0045 NIFT, Kolkata Sonu Ranjan WLS-10-0046 NIFT, New Delhi Govind Kumar Singh WLS-10-0047 NIFT, Bangalore Esha Narayanan WLS-10-0060 NIFT, Mumbai Varun Arora WLS-10-0065 Pearl Academy of Fashion, ND Shagun Mehindro WLS-10-0069 Pearl Academy of Fashion, ND Akash Malhotra WLS-10-0071 Pearl Academy of Fashion, ND Rakhi Anand WLS-10-0073 National Institute of Design, Ahd Sanjit Rath WLS-10-0074 National Institute of Design, Ahd Aman Ahuja WLS-10-0078 Pearl Academy of Fashion, ND Vidya Panicker WLS-10-0086 Pearl Academy of Fashion, Jaipur Kriti Tula WLS-10-0090 Pearl Academy of Fashion, ND Ruchika Gurdita WLS-10-0096 Pearl Academy of Fashion, Jaipur Ipsita Priyadarsini WLS-10-0097 Pearl Academy of Fashion, Chennai Biplub Alok WLS-10-0103 NIFT, Kolkata Sumeet Kumar WLS-10-0109 NIFT, Mumbai Manuprasad Mathew WLS-10-0110 National Institute of Design, Ahd Fazal Mahmood WLS-10-0113 NIFT, New Delhi Misti Subhan WLS-10-0131 NIFT, Hyderabad Mansi Malhotra WLS-10-0134 NIFT, Hyderabad Akanksha Arora WLS-10-0135 NIFT, Hyderabad Vineeta Khanna WLS-10-0137 Pearl Academy of Fashion, ND Niharika Das WLS-10-0145 NIFT, Bangalore Anjan Singh WLS-10-0148 Pearl Academy of Fashion, ND Sanjya Jain WLS-10-0172 NIFT, New Delhi Niyati Amlani WLS-10-0188 NIFT, Mumbai Suraj Kumar WLS-10-0198 NIFT, New Delhi Nitin Pal WLS-10-0221 NIFT, Hyderabad Dhwani Sharma WLS-10-0259 NIFT, New Delhi Anmol Sachdev WLS-10-0269 NIFT, New Delhi Kundan Lal WLS-10-0282 NIFT, New Delhi Vinay Mishra WLS-10-0296 NIFT, New Delhi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.243.239.25 (talk) 16:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. If you look at what I said, which is also what previous contributors have said, the citation provides little context (and no evidence of notability, come to think of it). Dictating to people here will get you nowhere, I'm afraid.- Sitush (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Govind Kumar Singh is from subalul , Bihar[edit]

(talk) please you have reverted this edit please check this link and do not deleted this , these are basic informations , if you will remove these article become useless for readers .http://in.news.yahoo.com/success-encourage-youth-bihar-designer-govind-singh-20110225-024558-216.html

That source does not verify the information given, and unless I'm mistaken, you're the same user that was blocked from editing, and blocked due to WP:SOCK. I would ask that you not reinsert the references that have been removed, as they do not verify the information in the article. Thank you. - SudoGhost (talk) 05:16, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) It has been explained previously, around the time that your IP address was blocked for evasion, that the citation does not support the statement. - Sitush (talk) 05:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

its very clearly written there please do not delete any impotent information Wikipedia Administrators are watching you they will take action against you read this article and do not delete any information


Govind Kumar Singh, who is from Bihar, was voted the top upcoming Indian fashion designer 2011 by Cotton Council International (CCI), and he feels his success story will inspire youngster in his home state to join the fashion fraternity. Singh, who hails from the flood-prone Supaul district, told IANS over telephone Friday that it was a big moment for him as well as his home state. 'My hard work and creativity has finally been recognised,' said Singh adding that his 'success story will encourage youths in Bihar to make a difference in the field of fashion too'. Singh, who is in his early 20s, won the title at the Let's Design 3 fashion competition in Mumbai Feb 14. --60.243.239.25 (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest that you do not issue threats about administrators etc. They may come back to bite you. - Sitush (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have just removed your attempt to use the "hails from" phrase. I understand the purpose but it is so vague. Comes from there, as in when? Born? Lives there now? Has lived there? Grew up there? It is such a woolly phrase, unfortunately. To be honest, if that is the only citation available then I am inclined to remove the entire statement as being unsourced/poorly sourced. - Sitush (talk) 17:04, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it's vague. It's where he's claimed his origin to be (I know some infoboxes for people have different fields for birth place and origin), so I'm interpreting that as his hometown/place of origin. I've left the text in place, though I've changed it to "is from" instead of "hails from" as more consistent with other articles. —C.Fred (talk) 17:33, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]


--60.243.239.25 (talk) 05:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)things are removed or added .[reply]

I am removing poorly sourced things from this article[edit]

I have removed things which seems to be poorly sourced , please add things with references . --60.243.239.25 (talk) 05:57, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Official website[edit]

I have (again) removed the alleged official website from the article. The quality of it is very poor, the wording looks somewhat peculiar and it is sited on a free host - yola.com - similar to the old geocities etc. In particular, the design is abysmal: I would expect a fashion designer to have some sense of general styling & to want to portray a better image than this site does. For these reasons, my suspicion is that this is in fact a fan site. It originally went live around the time that this article was being heavily edited by an SPA and socks, who were also the people who introduced it to the article then.

There is a strong probability that the socks are back, and I note that the sockmaster account (User:Vermapriya1986) yesterday posted on his/her talk page for the first time since their block in March. Heck of a coincidence, that happening when an SPA IP editor has also reappeared to edit this article. - Sitush (talk) 10:02, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image[edit]

An image, File:Govind Kumar singh11.JPG, has been used at the top of the article. The image is claimed to be public domain and bears EXIF information consistent with being taken by a camera (vs. scanned from the web). However, it was taken at an event, which raises the question of whether the uploader is the photographer.

Before I nominate the image for deletion, I'll ask parties more familiar with the article: is it likely to be an image taken by a private party, as opposed to an image taken from a wire service or the like in violation of their copyright? Or is it likely to be a misrepresented screen capture from the show? —C.Fred (talk) 13:00, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Misrepresented, imo. The uploader was Vermapriya1986, whose numerous contributions (and those of their socks) were pretty much all found to be copyvios. For what ever the reason, this one slipped through the net here but I am positive that it was picked up at Commons previously. It required OTRS permission and, of course, that cannot easily be obtained now that the uploader has been indef blocked. - Sitush (talk) 13:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

--Priyankanift (talk) 13:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)This image should be move to commons , it is not private image this should be moved to public domain .--Priyankanift (talk) 13:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Priyankanift: How are you so certain that the image is in the public domain? While I'd like to assume good faith that the uploader is the photographer, I'm not convinced of that. —C.Fred (talk) 15:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
C.Fred : this image is available in so many other websites and articles .like here http://www.maxskansascity.com/view/?post=10495 , and there is no objection so we should move this to public .--Priyankanift (talk) 18:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The site that you referred to was raised last time round. The image is distorted but appears possibly to be a cropped version of the one uploaded by Vermapriya before the post appeared on that (very poor) website/blog. There is no copyright etc information on that site but we all know that blogs are dangerous places to go searching for legal proofs, and they are permitted to take content from us (although, hopefully, at their own legal risk!). - Sitush (talk) 18:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And an image being available at many other websites does not mean the image is free. It's possible that all of the sites have licensed the image individually. Or, it may just mean the owners haven't gotten around to sending the takedown orders yet. —C.Fred (talk) 22:24, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
C.Fred:: This image is in this article from long time and no one has objected , this is also available in lot of social media . Uploading in those websites automatically moving this for public .--Priyankanift (talk) 05:51, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not true at all. The image owner does not lose his rights just because infringement went undetected for some period of time. —C.Fred (talk) 13:42, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image owner taged it when she downloaded it in Wikipedia page for public you can check her tag . Also this is available in govind kumar singh website and all so it is a common image .https://www.facebook.com/pages/Govind-Kumar-Singh/122964481109222 . And uploder clearly mentioned she is owner of this image and she don't have any objection . The tag is till there . --Priyankanift (talk) 19:29, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Being in "common use" is not legal validation that it is in the public domain. Probably not surprisingly, this is exactly the same misunderstanding the uploader had 15 months or so ago. In fact, all of your arguments are the same and were shown to be invalid then. Furthermore, it was shown then that the uploader was asserting ownership of various things that in fact they seemed not to own and which were deleted for that reason. The uploader was since blocked and so cannot use our systems to provide further confirmation. Their behaviour then means that the balance of probability has to be that they do not in fact own the copyright. - Sitush (talk) 21:00, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Teaching courses[edit]

There is no point in listing every course/programme that Singh runs or helps to run. Teaching is what academics do and the detail really is usually rather trivial. - Sitush (talk) 08:46, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Examples of important, reliably sourced information that has been improperly removed.[edit]

Please check revision history of this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainu2006 (talk • contribs) 10:14, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You should be aware that there are edit summaries in that history. Which of them do you not understand? If you do not know how to provide a diff then just give me the time that the edit was done and I will explain it further, if at all possible. - Sitush (talk) 10:54, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yous should not remove impotent information from this page you have delegated so many references and a case is pending against you . You may be blocked for this kind of editing .--Rainu2006 (talk) 11:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Your title promises "Examples of important, reliably sourced information that has been improperly removed". Good. Now deliver: let's see one or two examples. Specify them. (Meanwhile, go easy on the bluster.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Its very easy go and check history you will know all impotent information has been removed --Rainu2006 (talk) 12:17, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, you check the history. You are the one making the complaint. The complaint is incoherent so far; make it coherent. Come on, persuade people here (me, for example): give one or two significant examples. Or admit that there are none. -- Hoary (talk) 12:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Check out this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Govind_Kumar_Singh&diff=661666857&oldid=661665578 this link has been removed . This was put up with valid reference --124.40.244.67 --Rainu2006 (talk) 14:26, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That source is quite clearly a series of press releases/self-written biographies. It also seems pretty obscure. I would expect mainstream news sources to mention the fashion preferences of the people named - there are, after all, enough "fluffy" interviews with stars etc in the Indian media. - Sitush (talk) 20:33, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Rainu2006: you are now way beyond the limitations of the three-revert rule that you were notified about. I realise that it is frustrating but you should be discussing things here, not editing the article. - Sitush (talk) 20:37, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Sitush: Hi, I have seen and I know what I should do . I have added only facts with proper references . I just want to help article make more informative by adding these information . I request you don't remove anything from article . If feel any content need to remove please discuss at talk page . We will find out solution . I have seen this page editing history and seems you have personal issue with this article . You have removed all information and references . Please check Wikipedia editing guidelines for your reference . --Rainu2006 (talk) 20:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
From my experience of looking at Sitush's edits, here and elsewhere, I'd say that he (very properly) has an issue with the boosterism that is endemic in India-related articles. A large percentage of editors of articles on Indian people, places, companies, universities, etc seem to think that Wikipedia is a free host for advertising. It is not, and Sitush realizes that it is not. If I am wrong and you can present evidence for a claim that Sitush wants to diminish or denigrate this biographee, then do so, at WP:BLP/N; if you cannot, then keep quiet. -- Hoary (talk) 22:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have noticed you have deleted all information , these references are quite valid , NIFT Annual Report is made by Government of India http://www.nift.ac.in/Downloads/annualreport_13_14.pdf in this it is clearly mention singh was had organized skill development programme with Jan Sikchan Sansthan you have removed all these from previous edits . Do you think Government of India's Annual Report is wrong ??? If not do you have answer why you have removed those information ? what interest you have ? --Rainu2006 (talk) 20:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have also noticed you have removed his clientele names there are several articles which mention his clientele . And http://fashionfad.in/category/designer-biography/page/14/ fashionfad.in is reliable website for Indian celebrities . http://www.99celebs.in/fashion-designers/govind-kumar-singh.html here is another link . http://www.metromela.com/indian-fashion-designers/ there are several links which says he is listed top designer in India . I appreciate if you could not remove these information for personal reason which you did in your previous edits . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainu2006 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • And http://fashionfad.in/category/designer-biography/page/14/ fashionfad.in is reliable website for Indian celebrities -- This short piece is very puffy. Consider: "Govind Kumar Singh’s unending passion and dedication for designing made him climb the ladder of success."
  • http://www.99celebs.in/fashion-designers/govind-kumar-singh.html here is another link -- This longer piece is unsigned and adulatory. (Is it written by and for fifteen-year-olds?)
  • http://www.metromela.com/indian-fashion-designers/ there are several links which says he is listed top designer in India -- Untrue. There's a list of designers. At the end of this list, we are told: The list is never-ending. Erum Ali, Bhanu Athaiya, Kavita Bhartiya, Shantanu Goenka, Omi Gurung, Naeem Khan, Shabina Khan, Anamika Khanna, Rohit Khosla, Anand Jon, Tanya Ling, Asmita Marwa, Sujit Meher, Bibhu Mohapatra, Aki Narula, Pritam Panda, Agnimitra Paul, Raghavendra Rathore, Shilpa Reddy, Wendell Rodricks, Sheila Scotter, Anjana Seth, Mana Shetty, AD Singh, Anna Singh, Govind Kumar Singh, Rajesh Pratap, Singh, JJ Valaya, James Ferreira, Suneet Varma, Rohit Verma and many more have contributed to fashion and taken India to the world. So he's just one of a long list of people who didn't make the main list. If there is any other mention of him on that page, then my browser's search facility doesn't find it.
-- Hoary (talk) 22:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You have removed this information He is listed in top 50 designers in India.[1] which was given with reference . Do you think JD Institute put wrong information on their website ? and why they will put wrong information ? You simply removed and mentioned comment is revision history designer himself made this list . So funny . You are senior editor I appreciate if you avoid this kind of edits .--Rainu2006 (talk) 21:08, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.jdinstitute.com/famous-fashion-designers-in-india.html
Let me quote the text of this article (the part aside from the list) in full: Famous Fashion Designers in India / Indian Fashion Designers list. Top 50 Fashion Designers in India. That's all. Are they famous, or are they top, or both? Who decided, and according to which criteria? Suggestion: The list is worthless. -- Hoary (talk) 22:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Govind_Kumar_Singh&diff=next&oldid=661667234 In this edit what citation do you need ?? Do you think all these links are wrong ?

http://infobharti.com/indian-fashion-industry/govind-kumar-singh-indian-fashion-designer.php

http://fashionfad.in/category/designer-biography/page/14/

http://www.99celebs.in/fashion-designers/govind-kumar-singh.html

http://www.metromela.com/indian-fashion-designers/

Do you think these all websites has substantial content ?? For your kind information these all websites are reliable . You have removed all these sources from article my hard work . Why you want to remove all these information ? --Rainu2006 (talk) 21:30, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The material is junk. -- Hoary (talk) 22:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Admin Please note this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Govind_Kumar_Singh&diff=next&oldid=661667842 NIFT annual report is there for reference but these information was removed ? why ? and how ? 

I am also giving you link for reference here - http://www.nift.ac.in/Downloads/annualreport_13_14.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainu2006 (talk • contribs) 21:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is a PDF of 164 pages. It says:
  • Training programme on Fashion Designing, Embroidery, Tie & Dye, & Beauty Culture organized by Jan Shikshan, Silchar, Sponsored by Ministry of Human Resource Development Department of School Education & Literacy, Govt. of India, was conducted by Mr. Govind Kumar Singh, NIFT Shillong
  • Ms.Rimi Das, & Mr. Govind Kumar Singh, NIFT Shillong attended TOT on ‘Pattern Making’ at NIFT
This is all that it seems to say about the biographee. I'd say that yes, this PDF is a reliable source for two facts. One of these facts is very trivial; the other is extraordinarily trivial. WP articles are not to be padded with junk, however reliably sourced the junk may be. -- Hoary (talk) 22:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
HE was appointed as coordinator for IFBM programme and this was there in article with reference link is here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Govind_Kumar_Singh&diff=next&oldid=661668418 he removed . here is reference http://www.nift.ac.in/Downloads/ce_brochure_29may.pdf

this was impotent . Which was removed by him . I appreciate if you please discuss before removing anything . It is really tedious to find reliable sources to improve any article . It really hurts when people like you say editing or adding content is promotion of someone and their is some interest . For your kind information I am volunteer , but you seems bias when I look this article history . I request Admins to look on to this matter and do needful . --Rainu2006 (talk) 21:45, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Finding reliable sources certainly can be tedious. But this depends on the subject area. For fashion, you're very lucky; because newspapers love fashion. After all, the more they talk about it, the more advertising they attract. So for example you can go to The Times of India], and click on, successively: "Home", "Life & Style", "Fashion", "Designers". And that's just one Indian newspaper. So go to newspaper websites and do your research there. -- Hoary (talk) 22:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Rainu2006, everything that I said is being echoed by Hoary, who is also providing you with more complete explanations now that you are engaging in at least some sort of discussion. Hoary is an experienced Wikipedian, as am I. If you go through the history and look through this talk page, you will see that we have had this problem before with the article and that another very experienced Wikipedian - C.Fred - was finding fault in the last round of promotional edits.
You cannot go round accusing everyone else of being wrong, of being vandals etc. Let's put things in perspective: if it were not for the fact that Govind Kumar Singh took part in Let's Design and did rather well, he probably would not be allowed an article on Wikipedia at all. I am one of those people who thinks that we shouldn't even allow TV competition contestants to have articles just because they were contestants but, luckily for Sri Singh and his fans, I am in a minority in holding that opinion. Just as you are in a minority in thinking that you can fluff up the article with poor sources and clearly promotional contributions. Aside from various policies that have already been mentioned to you, please consider WP:CONSENSUS. - Sitush (talk) 04:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
At some point, I will be restoring this article to this state and incorporating these edits. This assumes that no better sources etc are found. For example, I have just searched for sources that mention Nicole Faria and Sri Singh, and all that turns up are mirrors of Wikipedia, clearly promotional press releases from Singh and stories of Faria modelling his clothes at a couple of events. Modelling clothes is what she does - it doesn't not make her a client and this demonstrates just how much promotion of Singh has been going on. - Sitush (talk) 04:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looks OK these link I checked http://www.docstoc.com/docs/147767937/2012---Media-Release---India-Finalists---World-of-Wearable-Art# This link is fine and looks ok . Its not fake resale also quite exploratory . This not from Indian agency its International Press release . Do not remove this info Looks ok. If you feel this press release is not ok give proper reason why this information need to remove from article ?
About Nicole and other those links also checked looks ok . Those press release are resalable and good trusted websites . Don't take personally . Edits should be improving Wikipedia not manipulating useful information . I invite you for discussion . Do not remove any bit before all editors are agreed .Thanks --Rohtak camp (talk) 13:26, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We do not use self-serving press releases. The WOW thing is a pretty much non-notable event (see its own article) and the release is just glorifying itself. See, for example, WP:ORGAWARDS. - Sitush (talk) 13:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I read everything and checked . This quite notable . I have also noticed you have abused Indians . You should not write Indians are thinking Wikipedia is free host for advertising . Editing history says you have manipulated article . You have personal issues . I request Wikipedia Admin Please check talk page and revision history how many time same user or set of user removed information form article . These information are very impotent with reliable sources but its has been removed . A set of people including few Admins really hate Indians and their achievements . but I want to say here they are born stars and they will sign . They don't need Wikipedia articles to prove themselves . Its hurts when people abuse Indians like this . --Rohtak camp (talk) 13:59, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Sitush. Self-serving and puffery. --NeilN talk to me 14:15, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request for edit (but page not protected[edit]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainu2006 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 10 May 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]

Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. —C.Fred (talk) 22:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion?[edit]

In this edit, passionate contributor Rohtak camp attached not one, not two, but three speedy deletion templates to this article. Obviously none of these applied, so I removed the lot.

If this page merits deletion (and I occasionally think it does myself), then here's how to request its deletion. NB a rational, persuasive argument for deletion, based on Wikipedia policy, will be necessary. Careful reading and digestion of the page Wikipedia:Deletion policy will be a necessary but insufficient part of this. Those who cannot be bothered to make a serious effort to understand Wikipedia policy should not waste others' time with capricious requests for deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 10:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bangalore Fashion Week[edit]

Designer has showcased his collection in solo show in Bangalore Fashion Week which is relevant and informative information as per wikipedia guideline and must be added . I have added and request you if anyone have and issue with his please discusses here . Thanks --Route1986 (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment someone whose username shares the year of birth of the article subject is repeatedly adding that Singh has recently shown designs at Bangalore Fashion Week. Given the history of this article, I am inclined to think that this edit is primarily promotional in nature but I am prepared to be persuaded if someone can explain why a designer showing their wares at a fashion show is somehow special, and why that particular show matters so much. - Sitush (talk) 14:12, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Route1986 & Sitush as I see a discussion had already been started - so leading on from the question on my talk page I thought I'd see if I could add anything more. I agree with Sitush that it does look a bit like promotion, however not in a bad way - i.e. not in a really Wikipuffery way. I'm not aware of any policy or standard practice for such content (I'm not into Fashion at all) but I can see how some readers would expect to see what collections a designer had launched. So I would suggest either a compromise of a very simple non-promotional statement that he launched collection(s) at the Bangalore Fashion Week in the years x,y,z with refs, alternatively if either party still thinks this is too little or too much then ask at the Wikipedia Teahouse if anyone does know of a policy or standard practice for this kind of content? Hope that helps - all the best KylieTastic (talk) 15:53, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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