Talk:Gifford, East Lothian

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was don't move. —Nightstallion (?) 07:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

• Gifford, East Lothian → Gifford … Rationale: Former currently redirects to latter, disambig page moved to Gifford (disambiguation). Deizio talk 02:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

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• Support as nom. Deizio talk 02:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose Gifford, East Lothian is less ambiguous Ewlyahoocom 11:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Yet Gifford redirects to Gifford, East Lothian. Other places called Gifford are named after this Gifford, and the only other Giffords are people with the surname Gifford. This is about ease of navigating, unless you're proposing that Gifford should point somewhere else, or a different page should be moved here, you've only given half a reason. Deizio talk 14:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Do you have evidence that the American Giffords are named for this village, as opposed to, say, American politicians of this name? It's a reasonable conjecture without, but no more. Septentrionalis 21:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose With all due respect to Dr. Witherspoon, this Gifford is not the primary use of the name, the one a supermajority of the readers will want; as often, there is none. (Primary use need not mean original use.) Gifford should point at, or be, the disambiguation page. Septentrionalis 21:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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I'm surprised there has been this level of opposition to this move. I don't have evidence that the American towns are named after Gifford, although it's not exactly a controversial logical leap to assume that is the case, it hardly needs to be said that most places in the new world that share a name with somewhere in the old world are named for the home town of their settlers. By all means retain Gifford as a disambiguation page, and hopefully the three entirely generic "census data" articles about the American Giffords will get the attention they badly need. Deizio talk 22:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not certain, but I believe there may be a project to move most (if not all) of the geographical pages to less ambiguous names (e.g. by including a comma and a state, provence, country, etc.) You may be swimming against the current. And while I can understand the argument that "those other towns are named after this one", I'm not sure if that's the best way to help our readers find the page they want (sure Paris, France trumps Paris, Texas but what about Toledo, Ohio and Toledo, Spain (maybe a bad example)). Ewlyahoocom 23:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

It's also good practice to have the most relevant term at it's own page, and use a disambiguation link from the top of that page. Given that no other "Gifford" has been edited other than to install a census data report, and the "named for" issue, I figured that the dab would work better this way round. Rest assured this is far from the first dab work I've been involved in. Point me to the project you mentioned if you can track it down. Deizio talk 00:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places) for some coverage, but its by no means definitive or complete (see e.g. Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places)#Islands the rest of that talk page, and the other place naming articles, and their talk pages and polls), and all the other guidelines trying to cover the geographical articles). Any if you want to redirect Gifford based on what a majority of readers might expect to come up for that term then let's redirect it to Kathie Lee Gifford. Ewlyahoocom 08:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Signatory

If this were merely a pet usage, fine; I find it posh, but it'd not worth fighting over. However, Signer of the Declaration of Independence is an established quai-technical phrase, and really should not be meddled with. Septentrionalis 05:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I've changed it. —Nightstallion (?) 07:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

How's it pronounced?

Does anybody who lives there, or in the neighbourhood, know whether Gifford is pronounced (locally) with a hard (velar) g-, i. e. as in get, or with a soft (palatal) one, i. e. as in gentle?

Thank you very much.

It's a hard g, as granny. Gih-fuhrd. Tpacw (talk) 16:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

It’s not as a local 2A00:23C5:B032:2401:C424:3E34:8850:40AD (talk) 15:36, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Restructure

I've restructured the whole article to make it clearer, and also changed some of the flowery language which was a little convoluted. Also removed one of the maps (do we really need two?). And who is Archie Chisholm? Is he really all that notable? Tpacw (talk) 22:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)