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To the person who keeps removing Gigi as being one of the best keepers in the world, you should have a look around at profiles of other players where the same subjective 'one of the best' is used. stop trying to discredit this man, have a look at Nesta, Zidane, Schumacher etc..


He is a very talanted goal keeper!! Can someone change the picture back the one before, or another. Although this is nice with the trophy, it doesn't show him at all really.

Changed!

Why did it get changed back?

Please people! Add your signature when you post something to talk pages. --Ilyushka88 23:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV statement?[edit]

"generally regarded as one of, if not the best keeper in the world." Weasel words? It's fine to list his goalkeeping awards and such, but shouldn't we keep POV statements like this out of the article? Also, in reference to the above, Gianluigi appears to speak English as evidenced by his blog: http://worldcup-it-uk.spaces.msn.com/PersonalSpace.aspx. Might that too be a worthy addition to the links in the article?


-I would say that most of the soccer players' pages on this site say something along the lines of "one of the best sweepers in history," or at least "a talented player for team x." Since it isn't too much of a stretch to call Buffon one of the best keepers I don't mind it. -Fair call to the suggestion above, but he is the most expensive keeper in the world so I think it is almost implied he must be one if the not the best in the world.


It's fair to include him as "ONE of the best keepers in the world" - after all, he made this World Cup's all-star squad. But then again, he wasn't the only one, so it's inappropriate to signal him out above the others. Gunray

Actually, you're selling Buffon short--he was singled out above others. He was named the winner of the Yev Lashin Award, given to the best goal keeper at the World Cup. [1] Saying Buffon is "regarded by many to be the best goal keeper in the world" is not POV because it doesn't claim that he is indeed-unequivocally the best, only that many consider that to be the case, and that is factual, not subjective. -24.186.220.44 07:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, then why is it still taken off?Crystaliser 22:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Saying he is the 'best' is subjective. Unless it's objectively verifiable, which obviously it's not, you can't include it.(65.95.112.3 20:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

that's stupid. Then we should be making an artcle on every goalie on earth. Instead, articles are written only about those which are commonly known to be the best ones in the world. that would POV as well!!! Udonknome 06:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name?[edit]

JONATHAN JACINTO RAMIREZ


Is his last name French? It sounds like it. Funnyhat 01:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lot of Italian names sound Frenchish because the northern parts of the country speak Gallo-Italic languages closely related to that spoken over the alps in southern France; I don't know if this is the case with his family but it sound like it may be. A good example is the first PM of Italy in the 19th C. Cavour, though that might have been the place he was count of, not sure. Seek100 04:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks! Funnyhat 03:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In italy, several names in the north-east finish with a consonant and not with a vocal, as usually. The surname is italian. The real name of Cavour was Camillo Benso count of Cavour. So the name is a normal italian name. Bye. Valerio. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 79.9.177.128 (talk) 20:38, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

That's right, a lot of surnames in northern-eastern Italy end with syllables such as -on, -in, -an and so on (a similar example is the Italian footballer Davide Santon). That is not really about French actually, that is just due to the dialect pronunciation of surnames in these area of Italy, lots of them have never been Italianized and still keep their dialect form. French definitely affected Italian surnames but not so much in the North-East of Italy, it mostly did in the North-West of the country and in some areas of southern Italy: Piedmontese surnames are a very good example of French-sounding surnames, most clearly when they have not been Italianized (for example Reynaud, Arnaud, Giraud, Peyron, etc) but also when they have been Italianized since they still keep a French stamp about their pronunciation (for example Reinaudo, Arnaudo, Giraudo, Peirone, etc). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.40.27.233 (talk) 15:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

World Cup Final Controversy[edit]

removed this quote  : Buffon was at the centre of a controversial incident in the 2006 World Cup Final when he ran some 40 metres to protest to a linesman about an off-the-ball incident involving Zinedine Zidane, who was subsequently issued a red card following his headbutt on Marco Materazzi which initially seemed to have gone unnoticed by the match officials.[2]

1) it is a quote from an article that seems to bring a not very neutral analysis of the final. The POV of the article in question differs a great deal from most of the match reports by other main news agencies :

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2) it says Buffon was at the center of the controversial incident. He was only a witness ,the two players at the center of the controversy were Zidane and Materazzi. I don't see the point of quoting all this (incident Zidane-Materazzi,red card, head butt,...) in an article on Buffon.

3) the quote also suggests that the incident went unnoticed by the match officials. This has been stronly denied by FIFA, who declared that it was fourth official Medina Cantalejo who noticed the head butt. :

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Buffon's protest played no role in the decision to give a red card to Zidane.The quote and information on the incident is thus rather irrelevant.

I agree completely. Incidents like that happen - there's no reason to place the story on every article concerning French or Italian players. As you say, Buffon was hardly at the center of it. - Slow Graffiti 14:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I notice that user 65.95.112.3 keeps inserting the sentence about the Zidane-Materazzi incident without giving a proper explanation as to why Zidane headbutting Materazzi would be an important moment in Buffon's career. Again, Buffon's protest did not play any role in that red card.[7]

?[edit]

Why was the picture of him holding the world cup replaced?

I dont know, i've put back on the one i uploaded before again 22:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Think about it - do you want to highlight BUFFON or the WORLD CUP? Obviously Buffon as this is HIS page. Can you find a picture of him with the World Cup that still shows his ENTIRE face? If not, the one with his entire face showing should be placed back on here. I mean, it would be like including a picture of JFK with a gun in front of his face because you were glad he was shot. Obviously that's an extreme example, but it still emphasizes the face that this is supposed to be an objective page. FACE FIRST, WORLD CUP SECOND. Even better, why not include a picture of him with his 'Best Goaltender' trophy?? That would make MUCH more sense to me. (65.95.112.3 20:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

-I second that, the picture befor was stupid. This one is better, but the one that was on here originally was definately the best.

Someone needs to put back the one where he's screaming and looks like Al Pacino in The Devil's Advocate. That one was awesome. Phontain 04:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fascism?[edit]

I seem to remember a controversy a few years back when he picked the shirt number 88, which is, fairly commonly, used as a symbol for neo-Nazi/Fascist groups. In fact, it would seem there's even more dubious Buffon-related incidents, if you look through http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldcup/2006/07/pitbull_gattuso.html. Is this encyclopedia worthy, and can anyone trace these (The 88 I definitely remember happening, although I seem to remember reading it in a magazine I probably threw out years ago, so I may not be able to verify it myself) to a more reliable source? 80.6.98.250 12:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, when Buffon played for Parma he picked the shirt number 88, but he changed it because of controversys about the use of a "Nazi-number". Anyway he said he choised that number because when you play you had to have 4 "balls" on the field. Here you can find an interview about it (in italian)

http://www2.raisport.rai.it/news/sport/calcio/200009/08/39b937bc01479/ It's also true that one time he wrote on his shirt the fascist saying "boia chi molla" but ,he said, only for spur his team.

  • he called his son Louis Thomas after his idol, CAMEROON GK Thomas N'Kono... fascists don't do this, imho.85.18.81.138 (talk) 17:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

this shit about the number 88 doesn't need to be in here... what percentage of the population knows the number 88 has neo nazi connotations? needs to be removed.

Captaincy[edit]

It says he was awarded captaincy at Euro 2008 but this isn't the case, for the Italian national team the player with the most caps is automatically assigned captaincy so with Del Piero unlikely to start this fell to Buffon, no one selected him to be captain per se, it is merely the omission of Del Piero and his caps total that led to him being captain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.191.252 (talk) 22:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

International[edit]

Beemer removed what he called 'sports commentary', which is fair enough if he's referring to the athletic save against france, but his penalty save effectively did keep Italy in the competition and I'd like to know why it's worth keeping the bit in about the penalty save without the context that makes it more than just 'sports commentary'

Alphonsediregiano (talk) 08:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture[edit]

Can someone find a better picture of him? The current one makes him look oily and old. ... discospinster talk 02:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why not get yourself down to Italy and go to a game? I'm sure it'll be fun anyway! (PS: Flickr isn't showing any suitable photos at the moment.) Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 17:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I ve got some free ones but the newest is from the 2006 World cupJohndark93 (talk) 11:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.178.182.25 (talk) 02:50, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blue stuff on his neck[edit]

In the England v Italy quarter final at Euro 2012, Buffon appeared to have blue strips stuck to the back of his neck. Anyone know what it was? --Dweller (talk) 22:23, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Most probably Elastic therapeutic tape. --Jaellee (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Good call. I think I also spotted some black tape on Balotelli's back when he took of his shirt after the penalty shootout. --Dweller (talk) 22:48, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics[edit]

I noticed the table for Buffon's statistics are wildly irrelevant for a Goalkeeper, namely the "Goals Scored" column which is obviously going to be filled with 0's. These columns need to be replaced with a "Goals Saved" and a "Goals Allowed" column wherever the data is available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.211.192.162 (talk) 23:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's because to track the amount of saves a keeper makes is too hard to do as many saves are made through the the game and aren't recorded like goals are, meaning there would be much controversy in the number of saves made. If you look at keepers like Rene Higuita, some like him actually have many goals as a keeper. The reason saves aren't tracked like goals are is the same reason assists aren't tracked in the statistics box; too many to list. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 16:31, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Controversy" section[edit]

Is that incident with the number 88 shirt really deserving of its own section in this otherwise excellent article? As it currently stands it seems to give WP:Undue Weight to that rather silly "controversy." M azzurra (talk) 09:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Height[edit]

The source on the English Wikipedia http://www.gianluigibuffon.it/official/pagina/Ita/scheda_tecnica.html says 191cm, but then the source on the Italian wikipedia http://www.juventus.com/it/squadre/prima-squadra/portieri/gianluigi-buffon/index.php says 192. Both sources are very reliable as the one on the Italian Wikipedia is on the Juventus website and the one on the English Wikipedia is Buffon's own site... Some conflicting data here. Should his own page or the club page be considered "more" reliable to use? Should we state as such that there is conflicting info on his height? Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 16:27, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, the choice of the source is not particularly relevant (provided it's reliable): football players' heights, as well as athletes' in general, are often overstated by a couple of centimetres, so nobody knows them exactly and it's easy to find conflicting sources (btw, Buffon's height was reported as 1.88 when he was in his early twenties). Right now I think 1.91 is the most accredited height, so I wouldn't change anything, but since they're both official sites they should be equally reliable: choosing one over another is not a big issue. --Dan Kenshi (talk) 18:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I shall be reviewing this against the GA criteria as part of a GAN sweep. I'll leave some comments soon. JAGUAR  13:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    Usually citations are discouraged from the lead per WP:LEADCITE unless it's citing controversial information. However given the length of the article, I think this should be fine
    Remove the "the" in subsections "The Conte era", per MOS:HEADINGS
    "Buffon was once again the first choice goalkeeper under his former Juventus coach and Trapattoni's replacement Marcello Lippi, as Italy finished first in their 2006 World Cup Qualifying group." - needs a citation
    I would recommend merging two of the paragraphs in the Media section, to improve flow
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    No original research found.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
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I couldn't find anything worthy enough to put this on hold, so I'll pass it now. It is well written and very comprehensive. Good work JAGUAR  21:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Career statistics[edit]

Wouldn't columns for the clean sheets he's kept be better than the number of goals he scored?—indopug (talk) 03:26, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Lead: length, detail and conciseness[edit]

Afternoon all, per discussion raised on [8] starting this discussion off.

Per WP:LEAD

As a general rule of thumb, a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs and be carefully sourced as appropriate.

The paragraphs are not "well-composed", though I do not doubt the veracity of the content or the sourcing where provided.

A paragraph is meant to be "a self-contained unit of a discourse in writing dealing with a particular point or idea".

Currently paragraph 1 is:

  • Principle information: Name, Age, Nationality, Current Club, International team.
  • Some commentary by people about his prowess.
  • How expensive he was in 2001, that he is still the most expensive goalkeeper, and the most expensive Italian
  • Then record of clean sheets, then record of clean sheets consecutive, then record of longest time without conceding.
  • Then number of appearances.

The degree of detail is exceptional and unnecessary, and a real mixture of content, detail, relevance and significance.

Paragraph 2 is exceedingly wordy and massively detailed, but at least is a real paragraph. Lots of redundant words, and sentence structure is often overly confusing because it is trying to summarise both his career, the club he played for, the competitions that they were in, and his reputation and professional profile.

Paragraph 3 is concise and stays on topic. It has some poor grammar, almost as if multiple instances of separate sentences have been added to repeat "of Italian national team", "for Italy", "with Italian national team", "of the Italian", "Italy", "Italy" etc.

Paragraph 4 is a list. It's on a single topic, but it really has no narrative structure other than for occasional context of a specific award.

Each paragraph needs to be re-evaluated, and unnecessary wordiness and duplication tidied up. Grammatical structure needs to be revisited as it could easily be reduced in complexity and repetition to produce something that flows better and has the same quality of information. Koncorde (talk) 13:46, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, where Daniele hails Buffon's lead at the Italian wiki compared to here, on the project page, is strange. The Italian wiki is clean? By clean, does he mean sparse and lacking information? It has little to no mention of summarizing his debuts and his career other than his awards in the last paragraph. Anyway, I really do not see much wrong with the lead. Yes, at times it may be a little wordy, but I think it is structured well given how much has happened throughout Buffon's career. I've touched up some minor issues in the third paragraph. If there are some people who see specific things that can be improved, please raise them or touch it up. @Messirulez: Another major contributor to this article. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 20:07, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, seeing no movement here at all, so will suggest a few things:
Gianluigi "Gigi" Buffon[2][3] (Italian pronunciation: [dʒanluˈiːdʒi bufˈfɔn], Ufficiale OMRI;[4] born 28 January 1978) is an Italian professional footballer who plays as a goalkeeper for and captains Serie A club Juventus and the Italy national team. He is widely regarded by players, pundits and managers as one of the greatest goalkeepers of all time,[nb 1] and by some as the greatest ever.[nb 2] He was named by Pelé in the FIFA 100 list of the world's greatest living players in 2004. He has been named the Serie A Goalkeeper of the Year a record 12 times. Buffon was the winner of the 2006 Yashin Award following Italy's World Cup victory, in which he was also elected to be part of the Team of the Tournament. He has been named the IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper a record five times, alongside Iker Casillas, and was also named the best goalkeeper of the 21st century, of the past 25 years, and of the decade, by the same organisation.[27][28] In 2016, he became the first goalkeeper ever to win the Golden Foot Award, which pertains to both personality and playing ability.
At club level, Buffon's professional career began with Parma in 1995, where he made his Serie A debut. He soon earned a reputation as one of the most promising young goalkeepers in Italy, and helped Parma win the Coppa Italia, the UEFA Cup and the Supercoppa Italiana, in 1999. After joining Juventus in 2001 for a World Record €52m, Buffon won Serie A titles in both of his first two seasons at the club, and established himself as one of the best players in the world in his position. Two more consecutive league titles in 2005 and 2006, were later stripped due to Juventus involvement in the 2006 Italian football scandal. With Juventus relegated, Buffon defied rumours of his departure, and contributed to the club's Serie B title and promotion back to Serie A in 2007. Buffon later played a key role in Juventus's resurgence, which saw the club win an Italian record of six consecutive league titles between 2011 and 2017; he also inherited the captain's armband following the departure of Alessandro Del Piero in 2012. In total, he has won a record eight Serie A titles, as well as three Coppa Italia titles, and five Supercoppa Italiana titles with Juventus. He also holds the record for the most clean sheets in Serie A history, as well as for the longest streak without conceding a goal when over 12 league matches, he went unbeaten for 974 consecutive minutes during the 2015–16 season, achieving the most consecutive clean sheets (10) in Serie A in that same season. He is also one of only eighteen players to have made at least 1,000 professional career appearances.
With 176 international caps, Buffon is the most capped player in the history of the Italy national team, the fourth-most capped footballer of all time, and the most capped European international player ever; Buffon also holds the record most appearances for Italy as captain. Buffon has been called up for a record of five FIFA World Cup tournaments (1998, 2002, 2006, 2010, 2014) since making his debut in 1997; he was an unused substitute in the 1998 edition, and featured as starting goalkeeper in the last four editions.[26] He was the starting goalkeeper of the squad that won the 2006 FIFA World Cup, where he kept a record five clean sheets. He has also represented Italy at four European Championships, at the 1996 Olympics, and at two FIFA Confederations Cups, winning a bronze medal in the 2013 edition of the tournament. He retired from international football in 2017, after Italy failed to qualify for the 2018 FIFA World Cup, although he later came out of retirement for the teams friendlies the following year.
This will leave us with opportunity then go into some of his awards in a more linear fashion (would suggest condensing things down to "won two times" rather than listing each occasion etc). Koncorde (talk) 13:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for coming up with some suggestions. I probably wouldn't lead with the Pelé award, I'd probably start with the Golden Foot, and leave out specific years from the first paragraph. Comparing to Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, after the opening sentence saying they're the greatest of all time, they do go into a couple awards. Then the first paragraph is closed with trophies in total and stats. So I would say we should keep "Buffon holds the record for the most clean sheets in Serie A, and with the Italy national team; he also holds the record for the longest streak without conceding a goal in Serie A history: over 12 league matches, he went unbeaten for 974 consecutive minutes during the 2015–16 season, as well as having achieved the most consecutive clean sheets (10) in Serie A in that same season. He is also one of only eighteen players to have made at least 1,000 professional career appearances." in the first paragraph and move the transfer dollar amount to the second paragraph. It wasn't a world record fee though, just most expensive keeper. I've incorporated your ideas and some of mine together below.
This is my thinking:
Gianluigi "Gigi" Buffon[2][3] (Italian pronunciation: [dʒanluˈiːdʒi bufˈfɔn], Ufficiale OMRI;[4] born 28 January 1978) is an Italian professional footballer who plays as a goalkeeper for and captains Serie A club Juventus and the Italy national team. He is widely regarded by players, pundits and managers as one of the greatest goalkeepers of all time,[nb 1] and by some as the greatest ever.[nb 2] Buffon was the runner-up for the Ballon d'Or in 2006, and was elected to be part of the FIFPro World XI, an honour which he also achieved two more times. He is the first goalkeeper ever to win the Golden Foot Award, which pertains to both personality and playing ability. He was also the first goalkeeper ever to win the Serie A Footballer of the Year award, and has also been named the Serie A Goalkeeper of the Year a record 12 times. He has also been named the IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper a record five times, alongside Iker Casillas, and was also named the best goalkeeper of the 21st century, of the past 25 years, and of the decade, by the same organisation.[27][28] Buffon has won 21 trophies in his career, including eight Serie A titles, one Serie B title, four Coppa Italia titles, six Supercoppa Italiana titles, one UEFA Cup title and one FIFA World Cup. He also holds the record for the most clean sheets in Serie A, and with the Italy national team; he also holds the record for the longest streak without conceding a goal in Serie A history: over 12 league matches, he went unbeaten for 974 consecutive minutes during the 2015–16 season, as well as having achieved the most consecutive clean sheets (10) in Serie A in that same season. He is also one of only eighteen players to have made at least 1,000 professional career appearances.
At club level, Buffon's professional career began with Parma in 1995, where he made his Serie A debut. He soon earned a reputation as one of the most promising young goalkeepers in Italy, and helped Parma win the Coppa Italia, the UEFA Cup and the Supercoppa Italiana, in 1999. After joining Juventus in 2001 for the world record fee for a goalkeeper at €52 million, Buffon won Serie A titles in both of his first two seasons at the club, and established himself as one of the best players in the world in his position. Two more consecutive league titles in 2005 and 2006, were later stripped due to Juventus involvement in the 2006 Italian football scandal. With Juventus relegated, Buffon defied rumours of his departure, and contributed to the club's Serie B title and promotion back to Serie A in 2007. Buffon later played a key role in Juventus's resurgence, which saw the club win an Italian record of six consecutive league titles between 2011 and 2017; he also inherited the captain's armband following the departure of Alessandro Del Piero in 2012. With Juventus, he has won a record eight Serie A titles, as well as three Coppa Italia titles, and five Supercoppa Italiana titles.
With 176 international caps, Buffon is the most capped player in the history of the Italy national team, the fourth-most capped footballer of all time, and the most capped European international player ever; Buffon also holds the record most appearances for Italy as captain after he inherited the armband following the departure of Fabio Cannavaro in 2010. Buffon has been called up for a record of five FIFA World Cup tournaments (1998, 2002, 2006, 2010, 2014) since making his debut in 1997; he was an unused substitute in the 1998 edition.[26] He was the starting goalkeeper of the squad that won the 2006 FIFA World Cup in Germany. He has also represented Italy at four European Championships, at the 1996 Olympics, and at two FIFA Confederations Cups, winning a bronze medal in the 2013 edition of the tournament. He retired from international football in 2017, after Italy failed to qualify for the 2018 FIFA World Cup, although he later came out of retirement for the teams friendlies the following year.
Buffon was named by Pelé in the FIFA 100 list of the world's greatest living players in 2004. Following his 2006 World Cup victory with Italy, where he kept a record five clean sheets, he won the he won the Yashin Award, in which he was also elected to be part of the Team of the Tournament; an honour which he also received after reaching the quarter-finals of the 2008 European Championship, and the final of the 2012 European Championship. Buffon is the only goalkeeper to have won the UEFA Club Footballer of the Year Award, which he won in 2003 after reaching the Champions League final; he also won the award for best Goalkeeper that year, and was voted into the UEFA Team of the Year five times. After reaching the 2015 and 2017 Champions League finals, he was named to the Champions League Squad of the Season on both occasions, and also won the inaugural The Best FIFA Goalkeeper award.
This has been cut from 27-ish lines to 20-ish lines, comparable to Messi and Ronaldo's 18-20 lines and roughly the same structure. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 17:29, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Vaseline, looks a lot tidier. Couple of things I need to think about the wording as it can be a little clunky grammatically (the club career sections is a bit of a mishmash) while the International one is much better in comparison. I think there's some repetition in the line "Buffon has been called up for a record of five FIFA World Cup tournaments (1998, 2002, 2006, 2010, 2014) since making his debut in 1997; he was an unused substitute in the 1998 edition, and featured as starting goalkeeper in the last four editions.[26] He was the starting goalkeeper of the squad that won the 2006 FIFA World Cup, where he kept a record five clean sheets." that we could condense down as well. I think the reference to the 5 clean sheets should be with the 2006 Yashin award in the final paragraph maybe, as that is the context of the award. I am not sure if the 5 clean sheets is a record, it may be, so what notability there actually is for it but there is no arguing about its significance towards his Yashin award. Koncorde (talk) 15:10, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The clean sheets is a shared record. I'm in the process of taking these suggestions and adding them to his page to get the lead into manageable shape while we still think about the final details. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 15:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think the world record can be clarified as "record for a goalkeeper" I may have accidentally removed the qualifier. Koncorde (talk) 15:23, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestions noted above. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 15:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Updated lead. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 17:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2018[edit]

Change height from 1.57 m to 1.91 m as it is listed in the source. The current height contradicts the source already listed. 174.2.254.142 (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 20:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2018[edit]

In the English wiki pages about football players, it's common practice to include runners-up, such as UEFA Champions League finalists ("silver medals"). Therefore, I would mention 2012/13, 2014/15 and 2016/17 Buffon's UCL runner-up honors in the honors section. Fabmilano (talk) 11:21, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, it’s not. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 13:21, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2018[edit]

Jonjobobington (talk) 18:11, 23 May 2018 (UTC) He no longer plays for Juventus[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. LittlePuppers (talk) 20:01, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Partly done: Ah, I see it later in the article. I've removed that he plays for them - do you know who he plays for now? LittlePuppers (talk) 20:03, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done His contract is until June 30. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 20:41, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

6 FIFA World Cup qualification stages (world record).[edit]

Please add the following fact somewhere in the article: along with the Trinidadian Russell Latapy and Dwight Yorke, furthermore with the Northern Irish Pat Jennings, Buffon holds the record number of participations in different FIFA World Cup qualifying stages: six in total (1998 - 2018)

Source: https://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=159304/index.html


Jennings: https://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=174639/index.html

Latapy: https://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=52785/index.html

Yorke: https://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=60183/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB88:51C4:C80:A1AF:AC25:2248:F477 (talk) 19:59, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that would be original research (WP:OR). Those links to the individual players' stats don't prove anything about who holds the record – someone else could conceivably have played in more. You would need a reliable source specifically stating who holds the record. Jellyman (talk) 08:30, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Venetian pronunciation[edit]

@IvanScrooge98: Is the Venetian pronunciation relevant here? Does Buffon speak Venetian? 113.77.254.240 (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Uhm, probably not, I just added it for completeness purposes, as it also happens for some people with foreign ancestry. Yeah, after all, maybe it’s not so necessary. イヴァンスクルージ九十八（会話） 20:26, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You mean Buffon has a Venetian ancestry or Buffon is a Venetian surmane? 113.77.254.240 (talk) 21:39, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And are there reliable sources saying he is of Venetian ancestry, I do not see any on this article or the one in Italian, and can't seem to find any with a quick Google search. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 21:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The surname is clearly Venetian, so I honestly did not look up his ancestry. In any case, having the Venetian IPA is still probably too much, I must admit. イヴァンスクルージ九十八（会話） 21:50, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Good to know it. And is a Venetian word ending in a consonant (Perin and Santon are also oxytones) always an oxytone? 113.77.253.29 (talk) 23:19, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not being a native speaker of Venetian, I can’t tell, though it is probably true. イヴァンスクルージ九十八（会話） 13:23, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Consonant per se isn't the clue, but which consonant, i.e. /n/. Still not a perfect clue to stress placement, but /on/ is trustworthy enough to declare final stress. Whether the name is specifically Venetian or Venetan remains to be determined. The Benetton family, for example, are Venetan, specifically trevigiani, not Venetian. 2600:8800:A580:DAC0:993D:F8BD:1E9A:508E (talk) 19:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am concerned that the ips were the sock of ZenZung, which edits by his sock was revert in this article. Matthew hk (talk) 17:06, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Serie A Goalkeeper of the year[edit]

Being part of the team of the year is not the same thing! The original prize has been canceled since 2011, inserting it twice is unnecessarily redundant and completely false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.48.102.69 (talk) 17:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's incorrect, actually; it's still acknowledged as its own award by AIC, as shown here on the official website. Best, Messirulez (talk) 20:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, in fact the link you posted prove once more the fact that i'm right,Try to open the link for the other players for example cancelo, you will see that it is listed as the best defender, but it does not mean that it won the award for best defender awarded from 1997 to 2010. (I'm sorry that the language barrier prevents me from explaining myself better, I'm still learning English, but believe me anyone who can speak the two languages ​​correctly will confirm that yours is a misunderstanding) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.232.218.218 (talk) 23:41, 25 October 2019 (UTC) + Nope, in fact the link you posted prove once more the fact that i'm right,Try to open the link for the other players for example cancelo, you will see that it is listed as the best defender, but it does not mean that it won the award for best defender awarded from 1997 to 2010. (I'm sorry that the language barrier prevents me from explaining myself better, I'm still learning English) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.232.218.218 (talk) 23:41, 25 October 2019 (UTC) − edit: come un babbo ho visto solo ora che sei italiano anche tu, ciao sono il ragazzo che ha editato la pagina questo pomeriggio, il premio del miglior portiere, così come gli altri per singolo ruolo, non viene più assegnato da circa 10 anni ormai, dire che l'inclusione nella top 11 equivale al vecchio premio è un errore. Come vedi sul sito aic che tu stesso hai linkato ogni giocatore premiato viene indicato come miglior portiere/difensore/centricampista/attaccante ma è un semplice modo per "catalogarli" di conseguenza penso sia ridondante inserire 2 volte lo stesso premio nel palmares altrimenti dovresti farlo anche per tutti gli altri giocatori. Vero è che il portiere è uno solo ma resta comunque sbagliato. Tra l'altro vado OT a titolo puramente informativo l'anno scorso il miglior portiere fifa fu courtois ma nella top 11 fifa ci finì De gea, a riprova che a volte top 11 ≠ migliore del ruolo ps. Scusa se parlo italiano su en.wiki lo so che non si dovrebbe[reply]

− Massimo

Overquoting and oversourcing[edit]

Appears to be against MOS:QUOTE and WP:OVERKILL. Am I wrong? ItsKesha (talk) 11:15, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ItsKesha: The key word in the policy being generally. I don't have issue wit you removing some redundant, maybe less reliable sources, such as squakwa, etc., but mass removing quotations from the end of Buffon's career at Italy needs discussion as it was a significant moment in Buffon's career, so I think several of his quotes are significant there and is warranted. Perhaps remove the sources in one edit and the quotes in another so we can see exactly what you're doing, and talk about it, because the way you did it, it is very hard in the edit difference to pick out what you actually removed. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 13:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A quote about his retirement doesn't need 12 sentences and nine sources. This is against MOS:QUOTE and WP:OVERKILL. ItsKesha (talk) 14:04, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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