Talk:Gertrude Hartland

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In a recent series of edits a number of changes were made and several references were offed in support. However, per the tags that I have added, to my read, they all fail verification. In terms of the:

First reference, given as "Butler, Patricia (2000). Irish botanical illustrators & flower painters. Dublin: Antique Collectors Club Limited. p. 153", I can find NO MENTION of Gertrude Hartland in this book. Either on page 153 or any other page. Also the text which was added, and linked to this reference, is directly contradicted by other verifiable works. Which, for example, give Hartland's husband as a man named Stephen Jackson. Not someone named Arthur Bell Groves. (See for example Irish women artists : from the eighteenth century to the present day (p.166) and Dictionary Of British And Irish Botanists And Horticulturists (p.322))
Second reference, given as "Foster, J.W. (1998). Nature in Ireland: a scientific and cultural history. McGill-Queen's Press-MQUP. p. 93.", I can find NO MENTION of Gertrude Hartland in this book. And certainly not on page 93. Which is a chapter about geology and volcanology in the 18th century. The book is digitised on Google Books and page 93 verifiable online.
Third reference, given as "Dochy, A. (2014). Representing Irishness in Words and Images; Erskine Nicol's Illustrations of Tales of Irish Life and Character. Revue LISA/LISA e-journal. p. 143." is also readily verifiable online. Yet again, I can find no mention of Hartland in this work. It effectively deals exclusively, as per its title, with the Scottish artist Erskine Nicol.
Fourth reference, given as "Gilbert, Pamela (1995). Women in Ireland. English Literature in Transition. p. 245." is not a book that I can find anywhere. In a journal article titled "Women in Ireland", a Pamela K Gilbert REVIEWED a book for the "English Literature in Transition" journal in 1995. The book that was reviewed was titled "Women and nation in Irish literature and society, 1880-1935". Not only is a review not a book, but I can find NO MENTION of Hartland in either the 1995 review or the book itself.

Perhaps I am missing something. But, unless someone can help address these issues (and provide quotes and ISBNs and other improvements to these refs), I'm inclined to remove all the added text as failing verification. Guliolopez (talk) 17:21, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update. In terms of the quoted text offered in these recent additions, in particular the text suggesting that 'Hartland painted outdoors in order to "seek out truths in observation"', I can find NOTHING ANYWHERE connecting this practice with Hartland. However, what I did find is the [EXACT SAME PHRASE associated with French impressionist painter Berthe Morisot. Which says, that "Morisot painted outdoors to seek out truths in observation". I don't know what's going on here, but have reverted ALL of the recent additions. As, at BEST, failing verification. Guliolopez (talk) 17:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]