Talk:Galactica (roller coaster)

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Date	Process	Result
April 2, 2010	Guild of Copy Editors	Copyedited
May 7, 2013	Guild of Copy Editors	Copyedited
May 23, 2013	Good article nominee	Listed

Current status: Good article

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Untitled[edit]

"away from the destruction that nemesis causes". - this is talking about the little-known fictional back story behind the nemesis ride (monster, chained down, alien, cult etc) as though it is a real thing that happens. Not good english at all. Saccerzd 13:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"History" Section[edit]

Edited "History" section to improve readability, remove unnecessary extra links to Alton Towers page. Mainly I changed "incomparable" (it's not) to "unlike any of the others in the park" (which it is). Mswake (talk) 14:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added Copyedit template to history section, due to readability issues. I plan on fixing this over the next couple of days. Also, reorganised talk page slightly Olihawes (talk) 01:10, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Evident typographical error regarding the opening date: "In early 2002, testing began on one of the world's most technologically advanced rides ever made, and the ride opened on March 2010 at a cost of £15million. It holds the title of one of the most expensive rides jointly with Oblivion at Alton Towers, which was built at a cost of £12 million. Special crash test dummies were brought in to aid with testing. The passengers of the first ride were the manufacturers and the designers. After more adjustments, the ride was open to the public in 2002. It was the later Thirteen roller coaster that opened in March of 2010. Dick Kimball (talk) 15:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalisation of ride name[edit]

This is a bit of a grey area for me. This policy would suggest air; however, this would seemingly disallow this, suggesting Air. Also, since it is an abbreviation for Aerial Inversion Ride we could equally have AIR. I favoured Air because this is what is currently used on the official website and makes the most sense to me (especially when you start a sentence). What are others' opinions? Themeparkgc Talk 07:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for commenting on this. It's certainly permissible to have an all lower case article title and both the policies you cited allow it. Under MOS:CAPS#Trademarks, we should change the capitalization of the word when it appears at the beginning of a sentence (or in a similar situation that calls for capitalization). While WP:COMMONNAME addresses this also, I think the most directly applicable policy is WP:Official names. However, if the title is capitalized on the official web site, that is the style that should be used on Wikipedia. I did not look at that web site to complete the copy edit but I did look at the image in the infobox, where the word is prominently displayed in all lowercase letters, as explained in MOS:CAPS#Trademarks.

Also, a reviewer for WP:FA or WP:GA status might or might not like the use of italics every time the word "Air" is used in the article — this type of use is not listed at MOS:ITALIC. I tried using quotation marks (perhaps a technically more acceptable grammatical tool in this case) but decided against it and continued the use of italic emphasis throughout the entire article. The quotation marks look particularly awkward when an 's is needed next to "Air". This is worth a discussion with the article's FA or GA reviewer, who might decide to scrap emphasizing this word altogether.

Going forward, I suggest changing the capitalization back to "Air" (because that's what is on the official web site), removing {{lowercase title}} from the article's header, explaining the word's capitalization in a short note in the article lead (per MOS:CAPS#Trademarks) or under the infobox graphic (perhaps better), and keeping the term in italics until the article's FA or GA reviewer suggests otherwise.

The article is good and the coaster sounds like fun — I hope to go to that part of England one day so I can take a ride! - tucoxn\^talk 22:14, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the capitalisation back. I'm neutral on the italics so I'll leave it for a GA reviewer to decide. Thanks again for your review and your response. Themeparkgc Talk 08:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After stewing on this for a little while, I think a good way to deal with the capitalisation problem caused by Air's cool sign is an alt= tag for the image. It seems like there is no functionality for this, however, in Template:Infobox roller coaster. This template contains a prolific amount of comments about using "ONLY the filename, not a full [[File:]] link" in images. It looks like you're familiar with this template's functionality. Is there a way to add an alt= tag for images used in Template:Infobox roller coaster? Thanks! - tucoxn\^talk 20:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The current (hacky) way is to throw {{!}}alt=Some alternative text right after the file name of the image. I can't think of a good way to express your suggestion though. If you have an idea, feel free to add it. (Side note about the infobox: there are a number of things I want to do to that infobox but I don't have the time at the moment; alt text has been added to my todo list). Themeparkgc Talk 07:41, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Air (roller coaster)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dom497 (talk · contribs) 17:22, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section:

B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Pass!--Dom497 (talk) 01:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks. Themeparkgc Talk 09:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

"When it opens in April 2016, the ride will be the world's first virtual reality dedicated roller coaster." - Shouldn't this be modified or referenced, as it seems to me Alpen Express in Europa Park was the first VR rollercoaster? (Sorry if I'm not using the talk page correctly, I'm very new here) --User:Ozziepenguin (talk) 14:35, 21 January 2016 (UTC+10)

Alpen Express isn't fully dedicated. But Kyary Pamyu Pamyu XR-Ride is. Opened the day when Galactica was announced and therefore is the world's first VR Coaster. Please change the mistake in the Galactica article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Detowu (talk • contribs) 08:47, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Before Air opened to the public, the manufacturers and the designers experienced the first cycles of the ride. After some slight adjustments,..." - Ref(s)?--Dom497 (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Themeparkgc Talk 04:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Costing £12 million to complete, Air was tied with Oblivion as the most expensive ride at Alton Towers." - Not any more, but still sounds like it is currently tied as the most expensive. Reword?--Dom497 (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Themeparkgc Talk 04:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Early difficulties with unreliability were reduced towards the end of the first year, and problems have become rare." - Ref 8 doesn't say that the most of the problems were fixed within the first year or that they are now rare. Also, I don't think ref 8 is even considered reliable.--Dom497 (talk) 17:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Themeparkgc Talk 04:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~"...was built by JJ Cavanagh Construction and programmed by Consign AG." - Ref?--Dom497 (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)~~[reply]

Removed Themeparkgc Talk 23:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~"At the time of opening, Air was the tallest ride at Alton Towers..." - Ref?--Dom497 (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)~~[reply]

Added Themeparkgc Talk 23:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Ref 12 is a redirect (I think this is the same one as the superman redirect I mentioned in the other review).--Dom497 (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)~~[reply]

Fixed Themeparkgc Talk 23:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~"Air commences with a short passage through a tunnel departing the station..." - The POV shows only after the lift.--Dom497 (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)~~[reply]

Removed Themeparkgc Talk 23:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't really matter (to me at least) but why not include a table for the GTA awards rather than explain it (to keep in trend with other roller coaster articles)? Again, if you think its better without the table, that's perfectly fine.--Dom497 (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The main reason for not including the table is that it was only on the chart for four years. When I could explain it in prose without too much trouble, I decided not to include the table to show the same stuff again. Themeparkgc Talk 23:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense.--Dom497 (talk) 01:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~I feel something else should be mentioned in the lead (height, speed, or something like that)...could just be me though.--Dom497 (talk) 19:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)~~[reply]

Added Themeparkgc Talk 23:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~In the lead, it says B&M was the designer but in the design section, it says Wardley was. Co-designers? (if so, a reword should fix the problem).--Dom497 (talk) 19:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)~~[reply]

Fixed Themeparkgc Talk 23:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Picture[edit]

I think air needs a more representative picture that actually features the roller coaster itself. Maybe with the logo as a separate picture below as well.Sl3nderman3006 (talk) 16:52, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I can do that when I get at a computer (I'm using my phone here).HiddenHerobrine (talk) 19:34, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Galactica VR – required?[edit]

This edit by Red Hot Wax suggests that all riders are now required to wear the VR headsets, whereas reports in the media have suggested otherwise. Is there a reliable source for this change? If so, please provide one and/or discuss here. Otherwise, the edit will be reverted. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since there has been no response in 24 hours, I've reverted the article to the previous version. Without a reliable source that verifies the claim that VR is required, we should leave in place what we know from press releases and media reports. --GoneIn60 (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Is Mitch Hawker's ranking note worthy?[edit]

The article makes reference to Mitch Hawker's 2012 list of the world's best roller coasters. Why is Mitch Hawker's opinion relevant? Is he notable? – Dyolf87 (talk) 17:34, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The wood coaster poll was notable at one time. The steel coaster poll never really gained much traction. It was cumbersome and timeconsuming and too many potential respondents shied away from it. Some also discovered that it was easy to skew the results. It has been removed from most roller coaster pages.—JlACEer (talk) 19:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then I would argue that it has no place on the Galactica page. It's a rating from 2013, quickly approaching a decade ago. It adds no real value and is not encyclopaedic. – Dyolf87 (talk) 08:06, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See WT:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Archive 2#Mitch Hawker's roller coaster polls - RS? (and keep in mind it's an archived thread that shouldn't be modified). That poll isn't reliable, regardless of the notoriety it may have had at one time. Following that discussion, editors began removing the poll from roller coaster articles. Occasionally, you come across one where the poll was reinstated or simply missed during the purge. I see no reason to keep it at this point. --GoneIn60 (talk) 08:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]