Talk:Forseti
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citation[edit]
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- The Norse service was related to the Frisian service and is thought to have originated from Frisia.
The source on which this is based says:
- About 700 AD the cultural relations between Frisia and southern Norway were tight enough to enable the Fosite-cult to move north to the Oslofjord (Vries, J. de, Altgermanische Religionsgeschichte, band II, Berlin, 1957)
The source says that the cult *could have* moved from Frisia to Norway, which frankly says nothing since it could have moved there from Germany too. I do not disagree with the possibility that Forseti originated in Frisia only with the assertiveness that the text refers to a very tentative source.--Berig 15:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
pronunciation[edit]
how is his name pronounced? phonetically? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.6.227 (talk) 06:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Forseti vs. Fosite[edit]
The identification of Forseti and Fosite is less than trivial. Careful attribution is needed. dab (𒁳) 16:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Attributes, Forseti's "golden axe", and etc.[edit]
…Fosite seems to have been the chief god of the Frisians, and we do have tales about him and his cult from that area. According to the legend "Van da tweer Koningen Karl ende Radbod" (of the two kings Charles [Martel] and Radbod), when the Frankish Charles conquered Frisia, he tried to get the Frisians to reveal their laws to him so that he could judge them. The twelve Foerspreken (fore-speakers) from the Frisian lands stall him twice, but then must admit that they cannot. They are set out to sea in a rudderless ship. Thereupon a thirteenth man appears in the stern, carrying a golden axe (a later, and rather weak, attempt to christianize the tale has been made at this point), with which he steers the ship to land. He then takes the axe from his shoulder and throws it to the earth. It casts up a piece of turf and an underground spring bursts forth. The twelve Foerspreken sit around the spring and learn the law from him. Schwartz reads the historical motivation as being a later interpolation, thinking it more likely that the Foerspreken are gods (corresponding to the traditional twelve Ases of Norse mythology) and that the legend was already old before the Frankish invasion of Frisia.
The association of this myth with Fosite is based on an event in the Vita s. Willibrordi. Willibrord is driven ashore on the island between Frisia and Denmark which is called "Fositeland". Everything there was hallowed to Fosite: the folk did not dare to touch the animals or disturb anything, and water could only be drawn from the holy spring in silence. The location, the special worship given to Fosite by the Frisians, and the description of an island with a hallowed spring all fit closely with the above legend. His spring itself may have been a place of capital punishment, as the "Life of Wulfram" states that condemned men were sometimes drowned in fresh or salt waters.
Just some mention of Forseti as a god of springs and his weapon as a golden axe, which in my opinion warrants inclusion in the article. 4.242.174.188 (talk) 01:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Perennial stub. Including its current contents in Forseti would not cause undue weight Ost (talk) 22:15, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
