Talk:Forest Park (Portland, Oregon)/Archive 1

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acreage

i set acreage to 5000 (from 5400) as this is what the 'friends of forest park' website says, and it is close to the official parks and rec site number (which is given later in the sentence). i am not sure where 5400 came from, but if some source can be given, please change it back and reference it. Jon Lon Sito 09:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

5,400 came from one of the references, but I don't see it linked anywhere now. Googling turns up these:
The most authoritative would seem to be the park department's fact page which says at the bottom:
... 4,200 acres were formally dedicated as Forest Park on September 23, 1948. Additional acres have been added over the years; Forest Park now includes over 5,000 wooded acres making it the largest forested natural area within city limits in the United States. [1] (emphasis added)
As these references could be repeating an unofficial number, I'm content to leave it at 5,000. EncMstr 16:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Portland Tribune story counters 'largest' claim?

The semi-weekly Portland paper, the Portland Tribune recently ran a story entitled 'Forest Park Fallacy'[2] in which they counter the common claim that Forest Park is the "largest forested natural area within city limits in the United States." Ehurtley 23:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Scott Mainwaring, on my User page (and this message erroneously posted there instead of here): The first reason I took it out was because the sentence was not appropriate to an encyclopedia entry. Looking back at the page again, I now see that the page cites it as the largest "urban forest," and at first I did not think it did. What is not in dispute is that Forest Park is NOT the largest forested park in the country (as the Tribune story notes). So the information in my deleted sentence was fine (and I'm now inclined to alter the top sentence) but the style was off. I'll give you a chance to reply before making that re-edit, just in case there's further disagreement (or confusion). Thanks for following up. --WWB 04:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Third Largest?

regarding the 3rd largest of all urban parks claim - I don't want to change it with some discussion, but Newport News Park in Newport News VA is 8065 acres wiki article which should make it the 3rd largest and Forest Park the 4th. Am I missing something?

Ygbsm 14:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


Also, Fairmont Park in Philadelphia is 9,200 acres, close to twice the size of Forest Park.

Portland's tallest tree

Perhaps it should be added in the article, that Forest Park contains the tallest tree in Portland, and any major city in the United States. http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/index.cfm?c=40906 A Douglas fir, 242 feet tall, and 5 1/2 feet thick at the base. --71.222.59.133 22:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I just noticed your note today and checked the link you provided. I'll add this interesting fact with a citation to the city site. Must rush off on some errands, but I hope to get back to this later today. It'll affect the Balch Creek article too since the tree is in that part of the park. Finetooth (talk) 18:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Done. I added the "tallest tree in the park" info to the fourth paragraph of "Vegetation". The Parks Department source said the tree was the tallest in Forest Park and maybe the tallest in Portland. I left out the conjectural part. I didn't see anything about the tree being the tallest in any major city in the U.S. It might be, but I don't have a source for that. If you have one, please post a note here or boldly add the claim and source to the article. Finetooth (talk) 22:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Creeks, images

Added info about the small creeks. Added images. We can move these again to accommodate map(s). Finetooth (talk) 19:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Here are some more photos. I've tried intently to not wiggle the camera during these, but the canopy is so dark that long exposure times are necessary and the tripod was safely at home. I did experiment with using flash to supplement the light, but the resulting colors are poor so none of those are uploaded.
  • additional Forest Park photos
  • Fallen Alder will be allowed to decompose naturally
    Fallen Alder will be allowed to decompose naturally
  • Trillium in multiple stages of maturing: white is new, pink is intermediate, and purple is most mature
    Trillium in multiple stages of maturing: white is new, pink is intermediate, and purple is most mature
  • Unusual lazy bend in Wildwood Trail in a grove of Alder and Maple
    Unusual lazy bend in Wildwood Trail in a grove of Alder and Maple
  • Oregon Grape flowering
    Oregon Grape flowering
  • Trillium, Sword Fern, and Yellow Violet
    Trillium, Sword Fern, and Yellow Violet
—EncMstr (talk) 08:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
These look good to me, and I've added four of them to the article. Two replace a generic vanilla leaf image and the path intersection image, and the others I've added to the History section, which seemed long enough to accommodate two images, and to the Wildwood Trail subsection. This layout isn't the only one possible, so if you see something better, please have at it. I have the same problem with low light levels in this dark clime. It's even tougher in the forest than out in the open. Finetooth (talk) 18:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Good choices. Thanks! —EncMstr (talk) 19:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Tapered rectangle

This just jumped out at me, from the lead section: "shaped like a tapered rectangle..." Unfortunately there's no such thing as a "tapered rectangle." For this FA to conform to the highest writing standards, I think we need to rephrase this. I don't think calling it "trapezoidal" is great…but I do think saying it's roughly shaped like a long triangle might get the point across just as well. It's really not all that regular in shape, so this is just a judgment call no matter what we do. Thoughts? -Pete (talk) 17:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Good point. How about eliminating the shape description and sticking to the verifiable facts by starting the sentence with, "Roughly 8 miles (13 km) long... "? Finetooth (talk) 18:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Works for me! -Pete (talk)
Done. Finetooth (talk) 23:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Article name

Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but shouldn't this be at Forest Park (Portland, Oregon)? And no, we probably shouldn't change it if it's about to show up on the main page... Katr67 (talk) 21:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you're right, and I think changing it is probably a good idea. I'll see about checking in with whoever manages the main page process. -Pete (talk) 22:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. If you look at all the other ones on the dab page, they probably need to be renamed too (unless their city has earned a "stateless" article name). Katr67 (talk) 22:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
OK, I checked in with User:Raul654 and then moved the page. He just said it oughtta be fixed on Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 31, 2009, which I did too. Now I'll take a look at the other ones on the dab page...sigh...a Wiki Wac's work is never done!! Great catch, Katr. -Pete (talk) 23:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
It never crossed my mind to take the disambiguation that far. Since there are other Portlands, it makes sense. Good catch, Katr. Finetooth (talk) 23:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

First sentence, describing where it's located

This is a problem you find in a lot of articles about American locations - people seem to think just saying what American state it's from is enough. In this articles case, the United States wasn't even linked later in the introductory paragraph. I'm considering changing the first sentence so that it reads Forest Park is a municipal and public park in the Tualatin Mountains (West Hills) west of downtown Portland, Oregon, in the United States. Think about it - people would complain if it was written in the article for the Nki National Park in Cameroon Nki National Park is a national park in East Province, near the towns of Yokadouma and Moloundou. Black-Velvet 02:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Good point. I see that you have linked United States in the first paragraph, and that is fine. Finetooth (talk) 04:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Note: I have delinked "United States". Per WP:OVERLINK, we shouldn't link commonly known terms and geographical locations. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

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