Talk:February 1992 Venezuelan coup attempt

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What is MBR-200? 193.171.121.30 15:31, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

MBR-200 stands for "Movimiento Bolivariano Revolucionario - 200." It became the new name (after incorporating civilians) of the clandestine "Ejercito Bolivariano Revolucionario - 200" Anagnorisis 04:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The caption in one of the pictures in the article says "Chávez meets with fellow conspirator Francisco Arias Cardenas during the February 4, 1992 coup attempt." That is a bit confusing the way it is written; it could be understood as saying that they are meeting during the coup in Feb. 4th. That was not the case as they were in different cities that day; each commanding a different batallion during the coup. Anagnorisis 04:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not convinced with the change. Last time they met was a few days before the coup (late January). Do we know that pic is from that day? Can't we just mention the two of them without having to say when the pic was taken. Anagnorisis 05:54, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


What's with the awful new title? "1992 Venezuelan coup attempt of Hugo Chávez"? Terribly awkward. And I thought he wasn't even the chief orchestrator of the event, didn't we spend a lot of time emphasizing that he only rose to real prominence afterwards? -Silence 03:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Still don't see any reason why this was moved. It's unlike Venezuelan coup attempt of 2002 and there's no reason to mention Chavez in the title, since he wasn't the chief orchestrator of the event, just one of a number of participants in the coup who happened to become famous off of it. The current title is almost POVed enough for me to put an NPOV tag up; some justification would be welcome. -Silence 05:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Silence, do you have any more information about this? I agree the title is rather cumbersome, though, even if he was deeply involved, he wasn't the only person. This makes it look like a lone wolf operation which it wasn't, according to the article itself. Also, does anyone have any information either way about Chavez's "avowed support for the visually impaired"? That statement, without support, reads as NPOV. Moonsword 16:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
There were two attempted coups in Venezuela in 1992 - February (Chavez-led) and November (led by an Admiral whose name escapes me). The latter is less known and came less close to succeeding, but resulted in substantially more deaths. Rd232 talk 12:00, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As a school project, I've been asked to update this page. I've address what the MBR-200 is, why the coups failed, and some of the political problems that caused the coup. Hope everything looks good. (MikelP 02:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Why pardoned?[edit]

One part of this article which I think needs to be addressed is the pardon. It isn't explained why Chavez was pardoned for the coup attempt. That is strange and definitely something that needs to be explained. Thanks. --MateoP 18:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Diablo[edit]

I changed Diablo to Chavez. Is there a way to prevent this kind of vandalism? The information had been incorrect since November 14, 2006 (72.181.194.88 08:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Origins[edit]

Completely uncited editorializing opinion essay removed: SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 1992 Coup Attempt in Venezuela has its origins based in the system of 'partyarchy' and the government's subjective control of the military.

From 1959, Venezuelan politics had been dominated by two major political parties, the Democratic Action party (AD) and COPEI. During the pre-Bolivarian era, these two parties had formed themselves into a loose coalition which became known as a 'partyarchy', rule by parties. This type of government soon led to problems with corruption, particularly in the wake of an oil boom. Oil revenues had been up 54% during the Pérez government of 1974 to 1979. Money was diverted from the government into the hands of officials. The courts who had aligned themselves along party lines were reluctant to convict those accused of corruption. Corruption and partyarchy were later blamed for many problems including an economic crisis in the 1980s.

The coup was also partially caused by the way the Venezuelan government had chosen to run the military. Under an objective military system, the military and civilians are separated. A subjective system relies on the military working together with the civilian population. Middle ranking military officers were sent out in the field to work with civilians. The main goal was to democratize the military. When military officers, including Hugo Chávez, saw the conditions in which Venezuela's poor lived, they became disenchanted with the country's system of government. Corruption was blamed for the problem. This feeling was being felt by the nation's citizens as well. By 1990, the government had ceased attempts to satisfy them. People began searching for alternatives to the corruption of Venezuelan democracy. Riots erupted in 1989 to protest government corruption.

Why the coups failed[edit]

Removing another uncited opinion essay. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first coup attempt in 1992 was largely unsuccessful due to a lack of planning by the MBR-200. The organizers had been too secretive and failed to gain control of the media.

The first coup proved to be popular among civilians. Polls taken after the attempt showed that roughly half of Venezuelans approved a military coup in order to enact social change, but not necessarily a military government. However, roughly 70 percent still approved of solving the nation's problems through democratic means. A second coup was later to take place on November 27th, 1992. This coup also largely failed for much the same reasons as the first one. The military had also been cracking down on the middle ranks in order to keep them loyal to the nation. The second coup was mainly conducted by the air force. It proved violent but was largely unsuccessful.

Lack of support would be a major reason. If the rebels escaped on two C-130 they were far less numerous than the author implies. The odd reference to "After a minor pilot defection enabled government forces to shoot down a rebel plane" implies the entire airforce had rebelled. That is simply not correct.Royalcourtier (talk) 10:19, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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