Talk:Emmanuel Berl

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Translated from the French Wikipedia article [1]

Please feel free to improve my translation, especially the section concernig Petain's speeches, which I think could be made clearer by someone with more knowledge of the issues. Emeraude 20:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jennylayne7 has made some useful improvements to my translation for which I am most grateful. However, I have changed some again, because the full flavour of the original French article is not accurately portrayed. In particluar:

delete of 'there' as having no meaning in the English context and rewriting of sentence to elucidate.

sinon means literally ' if not'. There is no suggestion that Berl expressed both curiosity and sympathies so I have reverted this.

Revert to make it clear that he was reunited with his wife in Cannes. They moved to Argentat. His book was written in Argentat.

And I have reverted the dates to my original version which is how the French write them, is the preferred UK English method and my favourite format. Selfish. Emeraude 13:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Translation suggestion.[edit]

"The earth, it does not lie", maybe a translation of "La terre, elle, ne ment pas", but doesn't translate at all the "feeling" and maybe the real meaning of the original sentence:

- "La terre" in that context is more the earth in terms of "ground"... The "Roots"... When in France we use the word "Terroir" which is some kind of culture attached to some "soils", we have many different soils in a small surface (compared to north america), and often a kind of "soil" is attached to some tradition, because of what was grown in those places and influenced the gastronomical diversity. Anyway, "La terre" in that sentence is more the "soil" than the "planet earth". He was talking to french people who was 80% (about :) ) farmers, with "mud on their shoes" so with strong roots.
- "elle", is between two commas, that is a HUGE point. It insist on "she" (in french, "la terre" is 'she', and in that particular case, it is a in-personification of the soil, so it's "She"
- "ne ment pas", is obvious :).

So my alternate translation would be "Soil, she doesn't lie". It might be really inappropriate in English to write "Soil, she, doesn't lie", but that would be my best choice if it's not a wrong English sentence.

To precise, I'm a french guy, but I've been living quite a long time in English speaking places. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.179.67.74 (talk) 21:06, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]