Talk:Elizabeth Fraser

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What about[edit]

What about This Mortal Coil? -----S (talk) 21:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is (currently) indicated under "associated acts" in the box at right on the Article page. (I didn't do it. :) Demodave (talk) 17:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

wat[edit]

this voice of god shit needs to be knocked on the head. it's her own mistake that she took the words of an interviewer who likened the band to "something like the voice of god" so personally. see: http://cocteautwins.com/html/media/print/mm_nov85.html i'm not sure how you'd wikify this, as she clearly has taken it on board, but the actual quote has an entirely different meaning. 86.139.149.18 (talk) 03:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, the Article (currently) reads "to her embarrassment". That ought to help you out with "knocking it on the head". If you want to "wikify" something, wouldn't it make sense to volunteer your talents. Demodave (talk) 17:13, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Collaboration and guest appearances with others: (1982 - present)[edit]

Before i actually do it, is there some rhyme or reason to the sorting of this table that i'm missing? otherwise i'm happy to sort it chrono. Doceddi (talk) 15:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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STOP![edit]

Ok folks. Appreciate the sensible edits that there have been from some long-standing Wikipedians, esp correcting ref style etc. Am a tad sick of the tired old 'guerilla' edit. You're not being clever by doing so, stop it. Thanks to those keeping Wikipedia sane. The rest can, well, go elsewhere and procreate. SanjitChudha 00:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Elizabeth Fraser/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

I have edited this article a little but I am not comfortable with some of the content, particularly around the end of Elizabeth Fraser's relationship with Robin Guthrie. I think a reference is needed for the alleged nervous breakdown and loss of vocal range.

Last edited at 22:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 14:21, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

"Voice of God"[edit]

The article contains the statement that a critic called Fraser "the voice of God". This is sourced to an article in The Guardian. This quote is repeated in other sources elsewhere, but it seems likely to be a misinterpretation of the original fact, because it was the band as a whole, and not just Fraser, who were described in this way in 1985 by Melody Maker journalist Steve Sutherland - see here. I think this info should be adjusted, though I'm not sure how, considering that the 'Fraser as voice of God' quote has become a sort of urban myth. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:44, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Surely we can find a better picture than this?[edit]

Look at it - its extremely blurry and only barely shows her face and body. Aren't there better non copyrighted images of her out there?? Saejal (talk) 08:11, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I wholeheartedly second this. I think the whole purpose of using pictures in the first place is to make the subject recognizable, else they're pointless. Better no picture at all than this, imho. Aurigon (talk) 12:56, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Collaborations - additional[edit]

Article cited break-up date of Cocteau twins (1997) then cited FSOL collab as though it were "following" the disbandment; 'Lifeforms' was released in 1995. This makes the reference to "following the breakup of Cocteau Twins" irrelevant to this aspect of the article, so it's been removed. 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:562:BBEB:AA2C:5127 (talk) 01:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]