Talk:Early life of Joseph Stalin

reference

@Midnightblueowl: This is from Khlevniuk (2015): "According to his official Soviet biography, Stalin was born in 1879. In fact Ioseb Jughashvili (his birth name) was born one year earlier. Stalin knew, of course, when and where he was born: in the small Georgian town of Gori, in a far corner of the vast Russian Empire. A Gori church register (part of Stalin’s personal archive) provides the exact date: 6 December 1878. This date can also be found in other documents, such as his graduation certificate from the Gori Theological School. In a form filled out in 1920, his year of birth is again given as 1878. But the year 1879 began to appear in paperwork completed by his various helpers, and that date was used in all encyclopedias and reference materials. After he had consolidated power, a grand celebration was held in honor of his fiftieth birthday on 21 December 1929. There was confusion over not only the year of his birth, but also the day, given as 9 December (Old Style) instead of 6 December. This inaccuracy came to the attention of historians only in 1990. The reason for it has yet to be determined. One thing is clear: in the 1920s, Stalin decided to become one year younger. And he did."

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1902 photo in the introdcution

The 1902 mug-shot of him is from the peak of his personality cult and heavily retouched, to the point of barely looking like the man. How can this photo be so casually used, without even a mention of this? It should seriously be removed --Havsjö (talk) 09:07, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

It is used by historians such as Simon Montefiore in Young Stalin. I believe it looks like Stalin, though it might have been retouched.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Here's a good link going over why this photo is most likely heavily retouched. . Considering this photo is essentially Stalin-era propaganda, I think it's very misleading to use it in this wikipedia article. If we need a photo from that era to show Stalin as a young person, there are plenty of less/non retouched photos like those available in that link that don't serve as propaganda. Achemish (talk) 09:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Achemish: While the photo could have been retouched, it has been cited and used by several academics who research Stalin, and does exist as is in the Russian archives, so it isn't misleading to use at all. I'd also note that link is not exactly a reliable source, and really is just speculation without any supporting evidence from historians. Kaiser matias (talk) 17:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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Relation with Lidia Pereprygia

According to the source cited (Service 2004), Lidia was 14 years old at the time of the relationship, which was not under the age of consent in Tsarist Russia. Since there is therefore nothing notable about the age, it has no place in a Wiki page. Moreover, I've changed the wording from "affair", since neither of the parties were in any kind of relationship (Stalin was a widower at the time and was irrevocably separated from his fiancee over 4 years prior owing to deportation). — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndersLeo (talk • contribs) 14:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Why would it only be notable (or in this case relevant) if it were below the age of consent? The age adds context and information. The article, for contrast, notes such minor details as the first name, surname and nickname that Stalin gave a pet dog he had for a few years. I think the age of a woman he impregnated (and who would later give birth to one of his children) is relevant enough to make it into the article. --AntediluvianBlue (talk) 12:36, 23 October 2020 (UTC)