Talk:E-girls and e-boys

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E-girls and E-boys gender neutral term[edit]

Users on tiktok (where the subculture became popular) begun to refer to e-girls and e-boys by “E-kids”, however there are not any articles on this. #e-kids on tiktok has 2.3 million views and is a hashtag discussing e-girls and e-boys for example. Skookienookie (talk) 16:30, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The music section is a hot mess.[edit]

this wiki is listing off popular artists whose songs went viral on tiktok in 2019. while these artists were popular at the same time as the e-boy craze this is not the music associated with the subculture. Editors are purposely excluding acts such as Ghostmaine, Suicide Boys, Freddie Dredd, Scarlxrd and so many others. Tyler the Creator and Frank Ocean have nothing to do with the subculture and Rex Orange county is for soft girls another subculture associated with tiktok. This is not at all accurate to the subgenre. DavidDisaster2 (talk) 02:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They're not being purposely excluded, there are WP:RELIABLESOURCES to say that those are what are associated with the subculture like: [1] and [2]. Reliable sources are needed for info on Wikipedia, and can't be based on WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH, so if you want those artists included you'll need to find one. Also, Freddie Dredd can't be added in the body yet anyway because he doesn't have a page and so isn't notable.Issan Sumisu (talk) 08:44, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccuracy[edit]

The information presented on this page is inaccurate for the most part. The "reliable sources" come from journalists who are most likely not Gen Z and therefore barely have a grasp on what the e-kid subculture is actually like. This article seems to be written from a perspective that portrays e-kids as a trend, rather than recognizing e-kids as a subculture. A lot of the artists in the music section (e.g. Tyler the Creator, Billie Eilish, Lilhuddy, Yungblud, Machine Gun Kelly, Brockhampton, Jaden Smith, James Blake, Dua Lipa, and Rex Orange County) aren't emo rap or trap metal. Juice WRLD is also not associated with e-kid culture since his music is mainstream rap music that only takes influence from emo rap (much like how Eminem is mainstream rap music that only takes influence from horrorcore, however he is not necessarily associated with the horrorcore scene). Under fashion, the hairstyles are inaccurate as well and seem to be based off of the hair styles seen on Charli Damelio or Chase Hudson, two people who actually don't really have anything to do with the subculture rather than the fact that Chase Hudson sometimes dresses like an e-boy, and that Charli Damelio may have dated Chase. The real hairstyles (that I've seen from my own experience in the subculture) tend to be just bangs. Boys or masculine e-kids have emo-inspired bangs that tend to “cover” their eyes, while girls or feminine e-kids have bangs that closely resemble that of Ramona Flowers. Also, under the ‘notable e-girls and e-boys’ section, I noticed Belle Delphine was listed there. Belle Delphine, may be an example of the original slang word 'e-girl', but she is not apart of the e-girl subculture. I also have no clue why Grimes is listed there. There's also just multiple references to skater culture (which is not necessarily true), but also weird references to sex (e.g. the stuff that lists BDSM, ahegao, bondage, etc as part of the subculture) and cultural appropriation (e.g. all the harajuku, K-Pop, kawaii, and ahegao references). E-kids are actually very much leftist and against sexual exploitation of minors, and cultural appropriation. Overall, this article just needs a lot more revising. Soapy Zach (talk) 22:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Soapy Zach: Wikipedia is run by such people (joke). We follow the guidelines here. So, if something is said by a journalist we post it here. What you proposing is called an original research, which we don't tolerate. On the other hand, I must agree with you that the article does suffer from some inaccuracies, but we can't just remove it without discussing it here.--MollyPollyRolly (talk) 22:42, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot of points you've made here, to go over all in one go. If you bring some of them up individually they'd be a lot easier to discuss. But the point that sticks out to me here is that you are disregarding some aspects because Chase Hudson does them, calling him someone "who actually don't really have anything to do with the subculture", when he's pretty consistently cited as one of the quintessential e-boys: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] and some even say he was the one who popularized it: [9] [10] Also, my assumption of bringing up Charli D'Amelio would be to do with the bleach strands hairstyle, but that's cited often as "the e-girl hairstyle"[11] [12] and was called that prior to her even getting that hairstyle. The article also never states that e-kids only listen to trap metal and emo rap like you said, that's something you asserted through original research, but it also disregards the fact that members of a subculture are likely to listen to music outside of the two genres it's often associated with. And when trying to find a citation that specifically mentions the two genres, there's no reliable sources that come up for "emo rap" "e boy" or "trap metal" "e boy", however this is already five emo rap and trap metal artists listed in the music section. Issan Sumisu (talk) 08:33, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of E-girls and E-boys[edit]

This section has no articulated inclusion criteria and has continually been a magnet for nonnotable people and unsourced additions. We're better off without it. Thoughts? MrOllie (talk) 19:51, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ohnoitsjamie: Pinging Ohnoitsjamie, who initially removed this section. - MrOllie (talk) 19:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that the IP deleted this talk section and replaced it with a copy of the disputed list for some reason. - MrOllie (talk) 20:08, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's too arbitrary/subjective to be reasonably maintained. It's essentially "List of people who have been referred to as an e-boy or e-girl at least once." I can't imagine any compelling reason to keep it. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 21:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed New Section: E-Girl as a Profession[edit]

Thoughts on including a section about epal.gg/egirl.gg, SparklePandas, BattleBuddies, etc.? (i.e, sites where people sell their time/online companionship and are referred to as "e-girls"/"e-boys") --2kbb (talk) 19:08, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]