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might a contributor knowledgeable on this subject watchlist this article?

Since when is Dhyan Chand considered the best hockey player ever and by who? This article needs major work. Joe 16:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

This article needs a thorough rewrite to correct the errors and seperate facts from fiction. These are a few inconsistencies. I don't have books to do it properly, but will probably attempt a cleanup in a few days.

  • An artist in Vienna depicted him as having eight arms. The popular story (hopefully true) is that the statue had four hands, and a later section of the article does mention it that way.
  • He was supposidely so fast that TV analysis of his gameplay was rendered too slow! Not sure about the correctness of this but as per "Wills Book of Excellence : Hockey" Dhyan Chand was not a particularly fast athlete. What made him great was his incredible positional sense and anticipation.
  • Adolf Hitler who left midway as he couldn't bear to see his "racially superior" team being demolished He left the ground because he could not bear a non-Aryan team doing too well, but offered to make Dhyan Chand a field marshal on the next day ? Something is not quite right.
  • He had scored a total of 59 out of the team's tally of 175 that Olympics. India scored 101 or 102 goals in the first three Olympic games - from memory, it was 28 in Amsterdam, 35 at LA and 38 in Berlin. Dhyan Chand scored far less than 59.
  • In 1956, at the age of 43, he retired from the army with the rank of Major. Born 1905. So one of the two numbers is incorrect.
  • However the Arjuna award for sports excellence was never awarded to him. Doesn't mean much. Arjuna Award was started in 1961 and it is only recently that SAI attempted the trick of awarding it to old sportsmen.
  • So great was the magic of Dhyan Chand that the Tokyo officials broke his hockey stick to search for a magnet inside, and tried to console themselves saying he had added some sort of glue. On one occasion, a lady from the audience asked Dhyan Chand to play with her walking stick instead. He scored goals even with them!
  • Tokyo Olympics were in 1964. He was not there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.151.138.94 (talk) 13:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC) [reply]
  • When he was on his deathbed at All India Institute of Medical Sciences, he reportedly told a doctor that Indian hockey was dying.
  • Fan incidents

Anything like these need very reliable sources. If not, it must be clearly mentioned as a legend. Tintin (talk) 13:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Bais Rajput[edit]

Regarding recent edits by User:Ksiksiksi, according to whom Dhyan Chand was a 'Bais Rajput':

  • None of the sources cited so far (including the ones listed below) mention 'Bais' - there are quite a few Google hits on blogs, forums etc. but these are all copied from older versions of the Wikipedia article
  • This International Journal of Physical Education, Sports and Health article by Nagaraddi B Mallanna and Dr. Prasannakumar Shivasharanappa is plagiarized from Wikipedia (and mentions "En wikipedia org" as a "reference").
  • The Life and Times of Major Dhyanchand by Rachna Bhola 'Yamini' isn't an authoritative source: the author does not cite any sources. She has churned out of a host of non-scholarly paperback biographies on several personalities -- none of these books mention any sources, none of them have been cited by any scholar.
  • This recent The Statesman article is just a compilation of tidbits from Wikipedia article, including the unsourced claim that he came to be known as Dhyan "Chand" ("moon") because he used to practice in moon light.

Better sources are needed for such a claim. utcursch | talk 16:02, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The dubiousness of such sources can be highlighted by the fact that another Prabhat Prakashan book claims that Dhyan Chand was so named for another reason: "Gupta predicted that one day Dhyan Chand would play so well that his fame would shine like the Moon all over the Earth—and this led to the budding player being called Chand which means 'Moon' in Hindi. utcursch | talk 16:09, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Dhyan Chand's autobiography Goal! mentions "I come from a Rajput family", but doesn't mention "Bains" gotra as claimed in this edit. utcursch | talk 17:15, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Utcursch, how did his caste was relevant to his sporting career? Does any relaible source discuss about that? I mean that you already know about the caste-related consensus. BTW, I have yet to see the relevance of castes in the biographies of sportspersons. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's not relevant at all, and the "Bais gotra" bit is unsourced -- that's why I've been removing it. Dhyan Chand self-identifies as a Rajput in his autobiography, so that bit might be OK, as mentioned by several editors in the caste-related consensus discussion. utcursch | talk 14:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As clarified by you, the caste was irrelevant to his career, so it should be removed from the page. The self-identification bit is required for taking care of the BLP violations. And one doesn't even need self-identification to include caste in the biographies of dead people, provided it played some major/important part in their life.
BTW, the consensus is quite clear regarding this: There is a clear consensus against including the caste of persons in biographies, if the caste doesn't have any impact on the person's life. And even in this case, there needs to be self-identification, which is reported by reliable sources per the biography of living people policy. In fact, you know this stuff inside out already. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Major dhyanchand family[edit]

Major Dhyan Chand was born in a Kushwaha family and not a Rajput family. Hemant kushwah01 (talk) 17:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • This recent ZeeNews[1] programme on Major Dhayan Chand reveals that he belongs to Kushwaha Maurya caste.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Laliteth1 (talk • contribs) 13:23, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Chopra, Aman (9 August 2021). "Major DhyanChand kushwaha biography in Hindi/legend of hockey/berlin olympics 1936/ध्यानचंद कुशवाहा". ZeeNews. Delhi: ZeeNews Media Group. Retrieved 9 August 2021.

Tanmay.R.Vaishnav[edit]

TRV 2409:4071:D96:5411:0:0:2A49:4214 (talk) 15:13, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Caste And religion[edit]

By caste he was KUSWAHA and his religious approach was Buddhism 2409:4050:2E1F:4059:4B17:F957:E6D4:7201 (talk) 01:03, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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