Talk:Democratic Liberals (Greece)

There is no such party[edit]

I could not find a single Greek source confirming the existence of this party. Apparently there was a misunderstanding by the original author of the article. User:Number 57 can you check again the book? D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@D.S. Lioness: There was no mistake – everything in the article is according to the Nohlen & Stöver book (although the name is also given as "Party of Democrat Liberals".

The party is referenced in sources such as this (which itself references the existence of the party to the Greek version of Hansard), this article (which references Ioannis Papadakis as being an MP for the party in 1923). There also seem to be plenty of mentions of the party in Greek-language books on Google.

I added another couple of English language sources that mentions them (and who their leader was in 1923). Number 5 7 22:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After hours of searching I found a reference to the most official source. The election results of 1926 . The party had candidates only in the prefecture of Lesvos. All three were elected deputies. page 50. The doctoral dissertations I read speak of a group within the liberal party.

P.S. The first source you cited is dead link and the second is not reliable . D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:54, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Odd, the first source was working yesterday. The message there now says it is "temporarily unavailable due to planned maintenance work", so will hopefully be back online soon.

Re the 1926 election result document, is that accessible online? Currently the results are incomplete, so it would be very interesting to see another source. Number 5 7 18:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes it is https://pergamos.lib.uoa.gr/uoa/dl/object/uoadl:209802#contents. But it is in Greek and French D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking of proposing it for deletion, as it's not notable. What do you think? D.S. Lioness (talk) 19:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's clearly notable as it won seats in two national elections. Number 5 7 19:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is two different "parties". :about 1923 Three Venizelist factions (Liberal Democrats, Liberal Democrats and Democratic Union) competed in the elections, which finally took place on 16 December 1923. The election result was in favour of the Liberals. In particular, out of a total of 398 seats, the Liberals won 250 seats (62.81%), the Democratic Union, working with the left wing of the Liberals, won 120 seats (30.15%). It is not a party. from google translate D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by two different parties? What was it in 1926? Number 5 7 20:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1923 was the left wing of the Liberals, not a party (Venizelist factions)

1926 was a minor coalition of independent liberal candidates only in the prefecture of Lesvos D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although this is better, however it is still not accurate. They were factions, wings, not parties.

As soon as I find time, I will nominate it for deletion that others join the discussion (i hope) D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read this: pages 64, 65 https://thesis.ekt.gr/thesisBookReader/id/33126?lang=el#page/72/mode/1up D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:20, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it was only a faction, it is still notable having contested an election separately and won seats. Rather than starting a deletion, I think it would be better if you put some effort into improving the article. This is a clearly notable entity. Cheers, Number 5 7 22:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help! D.S. Lioness (talk) 02:54, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Number 57 no, it is not listed in the sources as party. The sources mentioned Democratic Liberals NOT party of democratic liberals. I've cited so many sources that don't refer to it as a party, just as Democratic Liberals. You, on the other hand, have not brought a single source that refers to a party. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is listed as a party (as opposed to a list of independents) in the 1926 election results report.

Regarding the names, the English name is from the Nohlen & Stöver source (which I provided) and the Greek name is from the 1926 election results source. Number 5 7

User:Number 57 No, it is not listed as a party at 1926 election results. Don't remove the sign until you bring sources that talk about a party. Nohlen & Stöver simply reproduce the results of the election, and do not use the term party, but simply Democratic Liberals D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the 1926 election report, the party is listed in the section for "Lists of parties" as opposed to "Lists of independents" or "Lists of sole candidates".

What is your tag actually for? The only changes since your last edit was to add the names "Party of Democratic Liberals" and "Κόμμα Δημοκρατικών Φιλελεύθερων" and sources have been provided for both of these. Also, please stop pinging me – I have this article on my watchlist and I will see any comments left on the talk page. Number 5 7 18:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you speak Greek ? D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The title is inaccurate. Even Nohlen & Stöver are not use the word Party.D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have the book in front of me and the name includes "Party of". I don't understand why you are being so difficult about this and refusing to accept what the sources say, but would the issue be resolved by moving the article to Democratic Liberals (Greece). Number 5 7 18:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What Nolen & Stöver writes is contradicted by other works on the subject. Anyway, yes of course i agree to the moving. D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]