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Difference to the House of Glücksburg[edit]

While the Danish royal family are members of the House of Glücksburg, that doesn't mean that all other members of the House belong to the Danish royal family, or that descendant of previous Danish kings can be said to be in the royal family. It was Prince Christian of Glücksburg (the future Christian IX) who was selected as heir to the Danish throne and included in the 1853 Act of Succession, the first Act of Succession passed by a democratically elected parliament and the legal basis for the establishment of the current royal family, so only his descent should be included. More recently the 1953 Act of Succession limited the line of succession to the descendants of Christian X, so technically anyone who is outside of that aren't in the royal family.--Batmacumba (talk) 19:06, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They can decide who is in and who is out. Royal House, succession rights and Royal Family are seperate things.
eg:-Woman was not in line of succession before 1953 but they were in the Royal Family, Consdering Britih line of succession, most of the European Royal families have succession rights but they are not in Royal Family. Even immediate members through female line (other than through a monarch) are not listed in most times Chamika1990 (talk) 03:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Issue of Michael of Greece and Denmark[edit]

I am concerned with the text in the article, which I have removed at this time, which stated that Olga and Alexandra, daughters of Michael of Greece and Denmark, are not members of the Danish Royal Family. Either all male-line issue of the Greek kings are or none are because the sources given only explicitly mention their Greek titles as the decision of King Constantine can only concern Greek titles as he was/is the Greek sovereign. I would like to see a source which states explicitly that they are not princesses of Denmark rather that one that only gives what they are which may not be the whole story. This is because they would be an anomaly. Remember, there was an Alexandra of Greece and Denmark who was Queen of Yugoslavia. She was the daughter of a Greek woman... Seven Letters 01:19, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have sitting beside me at my desk a copy of Vanity Fair from September 2003 which was the large "Young and Royal" issue where they photographed/interviewed members of the royal houses of Europe. Both Olga and Alexandra are in it and have the Danish title. Seven Letters 02:21, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the Vanity Fair and other sources were all considered in our 2008 discussion of this issue here. Existence of the Counts af Rosenborg proves that not all agnates of Danish kings retain the princely title and no Danish government source includes Marina Karella's daughters. Bottom line: a source of equal reliability as those you have deleted from the article would need to be adduced affirming their right to the Danish princely title. Wikipedia requires proof to keep something in, not to take it out. FactStraight (talk) 15:54, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The difference is with the Rosenborgs the Danish monarch ruled directly on their status. I don't think we can extend that to the Greek princesses. Likewise, the Danish monarch has said nothing about the Norwegian crown prince marrying a commoner. I don't think there is evidence or proof to explicitly state that they are not Danish princesses. I think it's an issue where you don't put it in at all until the Danish sovereign says yes or no. Does the Danish government include all the other princes and princesses of Greece? I am very curious to know. Seven Letters 19:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This mentions that the descent of Christian IX in Greece are "of Denmark". [1] Nothing, absolutely nothing, excludes these two princesses or explicitly says they are only "of Denmark". Constantine does not rule on Danish dynastic matters. Seven Letters 00:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We have 3 reliable sources specifically discussing Karella's daughters, who give their title as "Princess of Greece", carefully and explicitly differentiating it from that of the "HRH Prince of Greece and Denmark" attributed to their father. What do you think is the point of differentiating? Assuming that because of this-or-that they "must" be entitled to be "HRH" and "Princess of Denmark" without citing sources whose reliability is superior to the 3 already cited to the contrary is substituting your opinion for that of several published sources that are reputable in the matter of royal titulature, and is improper WP:OR. There's no point re-hashing the exact arguments raised and refuted 2 years ago. FactStraight (talk) 01:38, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Refer to the link I just posted. It gives the "of Denmark" to the Greek descent of Christian IX. Meanwhile, the discussion of the Greek status of the princesses mentions only their Greek status, obviously, because the Greek sovereign will not "give" them the title Princess of Denmark which is already inherently theirs. I implore you to show me a source which states explicitly that they are ONLY Princesses of Greece when discussing their dynastic status. Omission of a foreign title when referring to their domestic status does NOT mean they don't have it especially when I have given you a source extending the Danish title to the Greek issue of Christian IX, according to Denmark. Seven Letters 02:14, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I already looked at that link, which is general, whereas the 3 sources cited are specific about the 2 Karella daughters and are provided in sources which focus specifically on the titulature of each descendant of Greek royalty that's included -- that trumps generic references about the Danish Royal Family's titulature. Demanding a source which says "Princess Olga of Greece (ONLY)" is a red herring: that isn't how titulature is recorded, so you're demanding proof in a form we know even the best sources would not use. Instead, their father's title is recorded, and attention is drawn (in the footnote you keep deleting from the article) to the differentiation between the titles of the father and of the daughters. If they have their father's title, please provide sources of at least equal weight to those provided, documenting their entitlement to that specific title. Any talk about which king, Greek or Danish, did or didn't act vis-a-vis this title is speculation we may not source, and so can't rely on. FactStraight (talk) 02:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I needs to be removed altogether. You gave sources discussing whether or not they are princesses of Greece or not, the only concern of the Greek sovereign. The Danish government says the descent of Christian IX in Greece are "of Greece and Denmark", without other qualification. I have not introduced a red herring (rather, I have drawn attention TO the sources you give); I have given a source according them the title, a Danish government source according the title to their family and also note the complete absence of anything stating that they are not princesses of Denmark. Wikipedia should not publish that which it cannot prove. Seven Letters 16:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Family Tree[edit]

Family tree links greek royal family through Queen Anne Marie of the Hellenes. I think link between Christian IX of Denmark and Greek royal family should be shown because they hold Danish royal titles as male line descendants of king Christian IX of Denmark. Also there are still living members of Greek Royal family who also hold (held) Danish princely titles and not descendants of Queen Anne Marie.


King Frederik IXQueen Ingrid
Henrik, Prince ConsortThe QueenThe Dowager Princess of Sayn-Wittgenstein-BerleburgKing Constantine II of the Hellenes*Queen Anne-Marie of the Hellenes
Greek Royal Family*
The Crown PrinceThe Crown PrincessAlexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg
(div. 2005)		Prince JoachimPrincess Marie
Prince ChristianPrincess IsabellaPrince VincentPrincess JosephinePrince NikolaiPrince FelixPrince HenrikPrincess Athena

Chamika1990 (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with that is that it moves the definition of the royal family further away from the narrow definition used in Denmark where only the Queen, her children and grandchildren and her sisters (with husbands) are included. In the most narrow sense Queen Anne Marie and her husband aren't even included because she isn't in the line of succession (see e.g. http://kongehuset.dk/content/den-kongelige-familie-0). So the Greek royal family is outside of the Danish royal family as defined in Denmark. The tendency has been towards narrowing who is included so mentioning all those "of Denmark" people and talking about an "extended" royal family is a bit problematic. I would actually prefer that the box "Greek royal family" was pruned from the family three although I can see why that link is interesting to many. Benedikte's two daughters, both Danish citizens and fluent Danish speakers, one currently residing in Denmark after marrying a Danish nobleman and the other formerly representing Denmark twice at the Olympics (both likely with a chance of getting their descendants reintroduced into the line of succession) are actually more relevant than Anne Marie's descendants.--Batmacumba (talk) 23:00, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New name for royal house ?[edit]

Will the royal family after the 14th be the house of monpezat ? H.K.H45 (talk) 11:27, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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