Talk:County flowers of the United Kingdom

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Harebell?[edit]

Yorkshire as a Harebell? White Rose, surely? http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-en-ys.html (Flag web site, both images of the Yorkshire flag display a Yorkshire rose) http://www.civicheraldry.co.uk/wriding_ob.html (Civil Heraldry Web Site, describing Yorkshire's coat of arms, "The white roses are a symbol of Yorkshire, ultimately derived from the badge of the House of York. The three roses on the red chief represent the three Ridings or "thirdings" into which Yorshire was devided. The other rose is shown en Soleil, a device adopted by the Yorkist King Edward IV, when he reached the throne after the Battle of Towton.") http://www.yorkshire-ridings.org.uk/yorkshireday.htm (Yorkshire Ridings Society, "Remember, wearing Yorkshire's white rose on August 1st shows you care about the traditional culture and heritage of our county.") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose_of_York (Wikipedia article, "The White Rose of York (Rosa alba) is the symbol of the House of York and latterly of Yorkshire.")

Anyone with me? Scribblin' Simon 19:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page is modelled on the U.S. state flowers page. SP-KP 22:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To Do List[edit]

The following county flowers are missing a photo:

County	Common name	Scientific name
Buckinghamshire	Chiltern Gentian	Gentianella germanica
Derbyshire	Jacob's-ladder	Polemonium caeruleum
Dorset	Dorset Heath	Erica ciliaris
Huntingdonshire	Water-violet	Hottonia palustris
Lincolnshire	Common Dog-violet	Viola riviniana
Nottingham	Nottingham Catchfly	Silene nutans
Nottinghamshire	Autumn Crocus	Crocus nudiflorus
Rutland	Clustered Bellflower	Campanula glomerata
Somerset	Cheddar Pink	Dianthus gratianopolitanus
Sussex	Round-headed Rampion	Phyteuma orbiculare
Westmorland	Alpine Forget-me-not	Myosotis alpestris
Isle of Man	Fuchsia	Fuchsia magellanica
Armagh	Cowbane	Cicuta virosa
Down	Spring Squill	Scilla verna
Angus	Alpine Catchfly	Lychnis alpina
Berwickshire	Rock-rose	Helianthemum nummularium
Caithness	Scots Primrose	Primula scotica
Cromarty	Spring Cinquefoil	Potentilla neumanniana
Dunbartonshire	Lesser Water-plantain	Baldellia ranunculoides
Fife	Coralroot Orchid	Corallorrhiza trifida
Kinross	Holy-grass	Hierochloe odorata
Lanarkshire	Dune Helleborine	Epipactis leptochila
Midlothian	Sticky Catchfly	Lychnis viscaria
Moray	One-flowered Wintergreen	Moneses uniflora
Perthshire	Alpine Gentian	Gentiana nivalis
Selkirkshire	Mountain Pansy	Viola lutea
Shetland	Shetland Mouse-ear	Cerastium nigrescens
Stirlingshire	Scottish Dock	Rumex aquaticus
Western Isles	Hebridean Spotted-orchid	Dactylorhiza fuchsii hebridensis
Cardiff	Wild Leek	Allium ampeloprasum
Carmarthenshire	Whorled Caraway	Carum verticillatum
Denbighshire	Limestone Woundwort	Stachys alpina
Glamorgan	Yellow Whitlowgrass	Draba aizoides
Montgomeryshire	Spiked Speedwell	Veronica spicata
Radnorshire	Radnor Lily	Gagea bohemica

How did the Plantlife project defined "county"?[edit]

It isn't made clear anywhere in this article, plus there are references to cities such as "Newcastle", which are clearly not counties. Either these are actually meaning metropolitan counties (i.e. Tyne and Wear for Newcastle, but calling it "Newcastle" excludes lots of other major settlementsd, not least Sunderland!) or the wording of their survey is wrong. Moreover, it is clearly not just a list of non-metropolitan and metropolitan counties as Cumberland and Westmorland are mentioned. I'll clarify the text to show the ambiguity over the term "county". Logoistic 09:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about the traditional county flowers, such as the Essex cowslip, or the Yorkshire roses? Why does Plantlife get a free ticket to the "County Flowers of the UK" article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.101.234 (talk) 16:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Isle of Man[edit]

The Isle of Man is not a county, nor is it in the United Kingdom. DuncanHill (talk) 15:08, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Quite so. (Not the issue here, but there's a similar problem when nationalist editors change "British Isles" to "Britain and Ireland". The Isle of Man is not part of Britain or the United Kingdom.) Peter coxhead (talk) 16:51, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Common Names Wrongly Capitalized[edit]

Why are all the common names capitalized, when only a few should be?

nunmap (edit this page to talk) 12:04, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nunmap: they are in sentence case, rather than being fully capitalized, which seems reasonable to me, as they start separate cells of the table. If more than one name were given, as it could be for, say, Cardamine pratensis, you might expect "Cuckooflower, lady's smock". Peter coxhead (talk) 18:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Peter coxhead: that does seem reasonable, but it's arguably less useful. If someone wanted to know the correct spelling they wouldn't be able to tell from the table alone. Would you mind if I change them? nunmap (edit this page to talk) 19:23, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm indifferent, but the entries in the last column should be consistent. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:55, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Peter coxhead: I didn't get notified, but I've done that now. nunmap (edit this page to talk) 01:01, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Colour - Unbearable, unreadable and unexplained.[edit]

The cell colours recently added with this edit make the text impossible to read for some taxa, and are wholly unexplained. @Nunmap: please address both issues. I would suggest an additional column for 'shared' or something similar, and simply colour only that cell. Either way, these need to be much subtler for those who don't have 20/20 vision. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:14, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Moyes - I totally agree. I hadn't seen this coloured version, but it is quite unnecessary. A simple asterisk in the county column could just as easily have indicated that this was also valid for another county. Even an asterisk and text such as *(Also Cambridgeshire) would have sufficed. The purple is particularly bad and might well be unusable with readers with colour vision impairment. Can't we go back to the uncoloured version please? Velella ^{Velella Talk} 20:46, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should - at least start from there. I do like the principle of using colour to help me see which plant is shared with which other county(s), but I'm sure that ought to be achievable in a less disruptive manner, and in a dedicated cell, not across a complete row. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:55, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nick Moyes: @Velella: Done. nunmap (edit this page to talk) 01:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I've made each table sortable, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The sorting capability,when applied to Common name, achieves much the same result as colouring did. It is now very easy to see if a flower represents more than one County. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 11:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Velella: it never ceases to amaze me that very few people see the value in creating lists in a sortable format. That's the marvel of online over printed lists, yet so many editors create separate tables (as here) or have made list articles of species without using any form of table at all. Such a wasted opportunity, in my view. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:28, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]