Talk:Characters of Peter Pan

Mergers

I've proposed that several articles about supporting characters in the Peter Pan mythos be merged and redirected to this page. The main reason for this is the criterion that the subject of any WP article should be independently notable. Specifically, we need to be able to cite multiple reliable sources (not counting the original work) which refer to the subject, and not just a passing mention that such-and-such character appears in a notable work of fiction. Secondarily, by creating a catch-all page for Peter Pan characters, WP has a place to briefly identify characters who clearly are not independently notable. I've proposed merging the following:

• George Darling (Peter Pan) and Mary Darling - Most people don't even know their given names, and there really isn't all that much to say about them.
• John Darling (Peter Pan) and Michael Darling - Much more recognizable characters, but once you get beyond their ages, appearances, and personalities... what does anyone really say about them?
• Smee - Likewise, Smee is basically Hook's sidekick, and not notable on his own.
• Tiger Lily (Peter Pan) - I'm a little annoyed with JMB for leaving this character so sketchy and one-dimensional, but he did.
• Molly Aster - although she is a major character of the Starcatcher books, I'm not finding many third-party references that discuss her except in the context of reviewing the books themselves, which means that the articles about the books should be adequate to describe her.

I didn't propose that the Lost Boys (Peter Pan) be merged here, because collectively they are definitely notable (e.g. a movie named after them). And I think it's clear that Peter, Wendy, Hook, and Tink are all notable. - JasonAQuest (talk) 19:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

• Smee seems to be pretty well-known on his own. I've no opinion about the others. older ≠ wiser 03:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with this merge proposal. They are important characters in the storyline. Angie Y. (talk) 18:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

That's not the question. The question is whether they are notable in the world outside the story, because a proper Wikipedia article has to be built from more that just what a fiction writer puts in their book. It requires articles about the characters found in outside sources. From Wikipedia:Notability: "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I don't believe that's true of these characters. Furthermore, scattering information about supporting characters like this turns Wikipedia into a scavenger hunt. - JasonAQuest (talk) 19:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

If you are a fan of Peter Pan from Barrie, it exist a Neverland wiki. But I must warn your, Disney had great influense... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.94.203.6 (talk) 14:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Smee

The Smee section seems to be chock-full of speculation/original research. Lots42 (talk) 19:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah and it's also straight up plagiarism from the original link. Sorry I'm removing it all.76.112.222.195 (talk) 05:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

It isn't plagiarism. If you were to look at the article history, you'd see that it was written here, and that both this site and the other are under the same open-content license. Furthermore, it isn't OR; it's quoting material from the book. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 11:15, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Tick Tock the Crocodile

Why do fans believe that Tick Tock the Crocodile appeared in other Disney cartoons? The crocodiles in Goliath II, Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers, Aladdin and Jungle Cubs looks similar to Tick Tock the Crocodile but they are not the same crocodiles. Disney is lazy to draw a crocodile in different Disney style. Look at this french cover for example: http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=FC+JM+2010 These crocodiles look like Tick Tock the crocodile but they are different crocodiles.--Nectaria (talk) 14:46, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

The Term "Native Americans"

The term "Native Americans" normally refers to the indigenous groups within the borders of the United States, while indigenous groups within Canadian borders are referred to as "First Nations". Is there anything in the books to imply which of the two they belong to? As a Scot you would think he would identify more with the British subjects north of the border, but the American caricatures and Buffalo Bill's tour of London could also have been inspirations. Any evidence one way or the other? Tono-bungay (talk) 20:13, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Barrie referred to them as "Indians" of course, so the text doesn't give clues. But the shirtless warriors in the illustrations by F.D. Bedford in the first edition of Peter and Wendy suggest that the more southern tribes of the U.S. West were the model, rather than Canadian/First Nations peoples. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 02:45, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Frankly I do not think this is appropriate - the characters are storybook Indians - the type that resided in British children's imagination in the 1890s and 1900s. These were the type of "Indians" that really only exist in fiction, so I don't think Native American or First Nations is appropriate in this particular context.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 18:10, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Pan (2015) upcoming Peter Pan film

There's an upcoming peter pan film starring Levi miller as peter pan, and Garrett Hedlund as a young James Hook. If you want. check in Garrett Hedlund's filmography — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.28.189.227 (talk) 20:03, 19 April 2015 (UTC)