Talk:Certificate

Moving this Article to a Disambiguation

The distinctions among the various usages for Certificate seem to be well presented here. The typical disambig page provides less information than some of the subtle distinctions explained within this article. I am removing the Template:Split from this article and would encourage some discussion on this point. --hydnjo talk 23:29, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Not so good if I want to directly wikilink to a computer certificate. It really should be split, or if you are game make it an umbrella article and use {{main}} to link to the correct article. I do think it would be better as a disambig page though. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:13, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

How would you propose the article be split? A disambiguation page has value, but I am less certain that creating a half dozen stubs is an improvement. GreggHilferding 04:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the best way to address this is to create a disambiguation page with a simple general definition that allows users to choose between Certificate (cryptography) and Certificate (academic), as these are the major disparate topics here (perhaps also Certificate of Deposit, Security certificate, etc). Then, assemble a general introduction and an extended subsection on the variations of academic certificates similar to the layout of diploma (the various Postgraduate Certificate pages might also be merged with this section, but that's a bit of a different question). Or, if the article is expanded enough to warrant it, like the layout of masters degree. Care should also be taken not to overlap with certification--66.253.174.65 09:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I find it very helpful and extremely important to keep the overview of the first part of the page, where the vast variety of usages/meanings is visible and fairly comprehensible at a glance. Whether a more in-depth discussion of the individual items also be on one complex page or split into others ... either could work, if kept clear. Links from the intro-paragraph (a kind of umbrella, as someone suggested) could be quite practical.

I think that this page is too short to be split into a disambiguation. Anyone searching for a more specific context of this topic can find it here just as easily as if they had to search and find using a disambiguation page. Scottydude 02:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that the topic should include options to redirect to a certificate of deposit page and a security certificate page, because I was actually looking for the definition of Certificate (Finance) or certificate in the finance field.

However it is done, I agree with a split. Bearian (talk) 15:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

How About

For other uses, see Certificate (disambiguation).

or perhaps

For other uses see Certificate (disambiguation) and List of certificates

How about keeping the article to mention the original, core, and most notable, most used senses for the word as it stands on its own and having one line at the top reading the above and mention all other more specific certificates, and meanings of the word there. Perhaps on that page or a separate page a "list of certificates", of all areas and uses of the word and for the many articles about the many individual certificates. I didn't know under what title I might find "Motion picture rating system" I typed "Certificate" whilst trying to find this for example, a rating is often called a certificate. This is not mentioned or linked to anywhere in this article. But my small dictionary mentions this definition under "certificate".

For other uses, see Digital certificate and certificate of deposit.

When I wrote this the above was at the top of the article and it hasn't been for long. I personally don't think that should be there, I think Certificate in terms of movie rating as I mentioned above is a notable meaning/usage of the word, perhaps more so than these other 2 but we can't have them all at the top like this as it would be too many.

I believe stronly there definitely needs to be a disambiguation page, whether it's at Certificate or Certificate (disambiguation). My slight preference is the latter.

There should be an article on certificates themselves - at the moment there is no history mentioning how long they have been used for and what they where used for in the past - maybe there should be. Contract and Deed may also be fairly similar terms, maybe we should state this and the similarities and differences of the terms.

Perhaps the below 2 articles

Certificate

For other uses see Certificate (disambiguation)

A certificate is an official document....

Certificate (disambiguation)

This disambiguation page shows different certificates and different things that use the term.

• Birth certificate - (minimal description)
• Digital certificate - "
• Certificate of deposit - "
• Movie certificate - "
• Etc

List of Certificates

Looooooong List of individual certificates - that have articles - if anyone can be bothered to make one. Perhaps in "Certificate (disambiguation)" article. Perhaps own article. Perhaps don't bother just name the main ones in the "Certificate (disambiguation)" article.

Sorry for lacking the ability to explain things quickly and simply Carlwev 22:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I think we could do a disambig page. Eric Wester 23:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

"competent in a certain specific networking skill area in today's ubiquitous and necessary information technology"

Can we please use more buzzwords! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.145.148.246 (talk) 08:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Changed to disamb

I have changed this to a disamb page, and redirected Certificate (disambiguation) to here. It was a fairly quick edit, so it will benefit from someone going through and updating it. SilkTork *^YES! 11:46, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget to WP:FIXDABLINKS now. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Technical and Further Education (TAFE) certificates in Australia

The Technical and Further Education (TAFE) in Australia are the certificates given out to those whom have undertaken studies deemed higher than for instance High school within Victoria, Australia.

They may start at Certificate I (one), but these can be classified as pre-apprenticeship certificates. Next is Cert. II; Cert. III; & Cert. IV. All of these are classified as TAFE.

In Australia, at least in Victoria, a TAFE provider may also provide (certificate awarded) education at a higher level than a certificate IV level, such as: a Diploma; Advanced diploma; Associate degree; Bachelor (degree); these are all classified as undergraduate qualifications. However, I believe several years ago (around 2006/07?) the Diploma and advanced diploma were strictly TAFE. Australian universities provide education classified as Undergraduate and Postgraduate; while they also provide TAFE qualifications.

Credit transfer or recognition of prior learning was slightly different from TAFE to university and the student could only recieve certain credits for key components of subjects or only certain subjects to put towards an undergraduate Bachelor degree.

Associate degree is also relatively new in Victoria, for instance a three year Bachelor degree may provide an early completion as an associate degree once the student has successfully completed 2 years of the bachelor.

In summary, Victorian (Australian) qualification would follow:

Vocational Education Training (VET) sector (see TAFE below):

TAFE - Cert I, II, III, IV, Diploma, Advanced diploma; offered by TAFE providers and universities.

Higer Education (HE) sector (see udergraduate & postgraduate below):

Undergraduate - Diploma, Advanced diploma, Associate degree, Bachelor degree

Postgraduate - Graduate certificate, Graduate diploma, Masters degree, Doctoral degree

There are other courses classified as short courses which come before the Certificate I qualifications, these are either pre-apprenticeship courses or provide statement of attainment.

Eco IMPACT 03:19, 14 November 2010 (EDT) +1100 UTC

Also see links below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_and_further_education#cite_note-theage2002-0 http://www.goingtouni.gov.au/Main/CoursesAndProviders/GettingStarted/QualificationsAndFieldsOfEducation/GettingQualifications.htm

Eco IMPACT 03:19, 14 November 2010 (EDT) +1100 UTC