Talk:Carolina–Duke rivalry

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Miss-named Gym[edit]

I really appreciate this article as I am a Duke fan and we have just won the first "Battle of the Blues" for 2016... but in looking at the stats,I did notice a mistake. I do not have the knowledge or skill to correct something, so if someone would be so kind as to change the name of the gym in the complete list of games. The early Duke gym was the A n g i e r Duke Gymnasium NOT Anglier.... There is a town named Angier, and a scholarship- Angier Biddle Duke,etc.... and even Disney made a movie "The Happiest Millionaire" about Biddle, whose daughter Cordelia met a nice guy named Angier Duke.... Thanks, again, for all of the information.65.191.174.249 (talk) 04:48, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. Ncjon (talk) 05:03, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Carolina-Duke Rivalry[edit]

So as a Carolina grad and professor at NC State. . . . This is called the Carolina-Duke rivalry. No one refers to it as Duke, North Carolina Rivalry. Propose we change it back. 2600:1700:7D0:28E0:2916:25C8:DAC5:ADB4 (talk) 17:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And the last move discussion said to leave it at Carolina–Duke, so I've moved it back. —C.Fred (talk) 17:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 April 2024[edit]

Carolina–Duke rivalry → Duke–North Carolina rivalry – The reasoning to keep the page at "Carolina-Duke" over 11 years ago was very flawed. By that logic, the Texas A&M–Texas Tech rivalry article for example, should be moved to "A&M–Tech rivalry" since those two schools are referred to that by people in their respective state. I guess we can also use the shortended "Carolina" for all of UNC's rivalry articles too or even the Palmetto State rivalry between Carolina–Clemson. I would go as far to say that "UNC" is a more commonly-used nickname than just "Carolina" (see Google Trends comparison). Wikipedia article titles are meant to be formal and informative, not just for pageviews. It is the University of NORTH Carolina, not the University of Carolina. It would not only be consistent with other college rivalry articles, but also with the standalone articles about the non-basketball rivalries between Duke and North Carolina per WP:TITLECON. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 15:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. College sports have their own idiosyncratic short names. The lede of North Carolina Tar Heels currently says "the school took on the nickname Carolina, especially in athletics." I'm not a college sports expert, but it looks like there's other instances of short names being used (e.g. Army–Navy Game, not United States Military Academy–United States Naval Academy Game). "UNC" is also tricky since there are two separate UNC sports teams apparently (UNC Greensboro Spartans men's basketball and to a lesser extent UNC Asheville Bulldogs). I'd want to see evidence that the Chapel Hill team's short name is not Carolina, because if it is, then we're just reflecting the real world being odd. SnowFire (talk) 22:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SnowFire: The "Army–Navy Game" is not only the name of the football rivalry, but also the official shorthand nicknames that the USMA and USNA give for their collegiate sports programs (e.g. University of Mississippi = Ole Miss). My main point is that while many UNC-Chapel Hill fans sometimes like to nickname the school "Carolina" (as do USC-Columbia fans do for their school), it is not the official name of their athletics and men's basketball programs and thus should not be this article's title. There is also a university literally named Carolina University, which has their own athletic teams (Carolina Bruins). KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 15:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – it is Duke-Carolina or Carolina-Duke. Look at reliable sources such as this 2013 documentary or this 2009 documentary on the rivalry and this 2005 book on the subject. Rikster2 (talk) 13:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Rikster2: There are also reliable sources such as this 2007 book which refer to the rivalry as Duke-North Carolina, as well as news sources over the past few years: NCAA, WCNC 36, Fayetteville Observer, etc. There are also various sources which refer to South Carolina as "Carolina" also: UofSC, this 2011 book. Not only does UNC not have a stranglehold over the nickname "Carolina", the university themselves for the most part do not refer to themselves as that officially/formally and thus the article title should reflect that. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 16:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no conflict for both North Carolina and South Carolina to be called “Carolina” in context. I never understood why that was a part of this discussion. Rikster2 (talk) 17:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – I understand that for most college sports rivalry articles the "fuller" version of the shorthand name is used (e.g. Virginia–Virginia Tech) but in this specific case the rivalry is known as Carolina–Duke or Duke–Carolina. SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question – where is the "very flawed" reasoning (a prior move discussion?) from 11+ years ago? Dmoore5556 (talk) 23:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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