Talk:Caer

Question

This artical seems to be several pieces of information that are related only in name and would be better suited to a disambiguation page with a colection of stubs. I would appreciate if someone who knows about the subject could do this appropriatly and add more information to each stub.

also, Aengus seems to have some information about the girl/woman called Caer, but it is very unclear. If you could assist with that as well, I would appreciate it.--Akako|☎ 19:25, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

For sure. Why don't we put the information on the mythological Caer at Caer Ibormeith (her full name) and just leave an 'other meanings' notice here? QuartierLatin1968 El bien mas preciado es la libertad 04:11, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

What is this?

This is full of waffle, sweeping generalisations and half-truths. A caer was primarily a fortress and is a common element in hill-fort names: if it was always "a royal residence" Wales would have literally scores of them! Also completely unreferenced, false etymology (corrected), and so forth. The royal court - the llys - was not by any means bound to be a fort and often was on circuit, moving from place to place. This needs drastic revision, so much so I hardly know where to start! Enaidmawr (talk) 23:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree with this. The article is very badly written by someone who knows very little about the subject. Caer is NOT a royal fort, it is just a 'fort'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.104.173.66 (talk) 00:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Fully agree with above comment. Just returned to this and given it a substantial pruning. Not sure what that leaves us, but hope it's an improvement. Enaidmawr (talk) 23:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that we should take out the reference to 'Royal'. Yes a royal family might have lived in a Caer for some part of the year but equally they might have lived in a hunting lodge, or in a hall, or in tents (which they did when out touring around) or in fact anywhere. The word Caer has no implicit association with 'Royal' at all and so including such a reference only muddies the water.EoinBach (talk) 15:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I have also removed the referencs to hill forts in England, I don't see what refering to them adds to this article. Caer is simply a fortified place in Welsh, and those places would be called Bryngaerau in Welsh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EoinBach (talk • contribs) 15:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Good edit. Should have been bolder last time and gone that far myself! You're only partly right about bryngaer(au) though, as it's a modern word coined for "hillfort" (bryn "hill" + caer); caer is far older, of course, and just means "fort"/"fortress" etc. I'm almost tempted to remove the picture too : although Dinefwr could be described as a caer in Welsh, modern or medieval, I'm not sure what that proves here. This article was started on a false assumption, and there's not much left! Enaidmawr (talk) 20:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Caerfyrddin

I removed this from the list of placenames with Caer in them in Welsh, not because it doesn't contain the word Caer as it clearly does but because the meaning was given as the 'Caer of Myrddin (Merlin)" - this is not historically correct. Myrddin comes from Moridunon - fort by the sea and the form is recorded, this then changed into Myrddin and Caer was added when the meaning of the 'din' at the end was lost, to give Caerfyrddin. While Myrddin (Merlin) is associated with the town this is actually only came about because the town was already Caerfyrddin and not the otherway around.EoinBach (talk) 15:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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