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Merge[edit]

Someone tagged this article to be merged into Turkmenistan, which makes about as much sense as merging Cabinet of the United States with United States of America. The subject is obviously notable on its own, and there is plenty of information that could be added to expand it. Since there was no actual discussion created either here or there to go along with the tag, I've removed it and am just leaving this note for future reference. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department: Please take a number} 15:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged it, as the history should show.. This is a small article, barely above sub status, and is clearly best understood in connection with wider information about Turkmenistan. This is a very new article which should have started as a section in the broader article, possibly being split out after development and discussion. Now if there were a decision to split off the entire Government section into Government of Turkmenistan that might make sense. Having given my reasons, I am going to re-tag. DES ^(talk) 16:42, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Talk:Turkmenistan#Propose merge for further discussion. Discussion directed to the talk page of the proposed destination, which is also the older and larger article, to get a wider range of views. DES ^(talk) 16:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. So you saw my comment in the draft namespace proposal discussion and decided to come over here and prove a point. Noted. That would explain why an administrator wouldn't bother properly formatting a merge discussion. That makes much more sense now.

Of course, every article about everything would be better understood in connection with the larger subject. The article about Asia would be hard to understand if you don't first know what Earth is. That's no reason not to have an article. Nobody has to "decide" to split anything off from anything. Which is why we have articles like Cabinet of Ministers of Eritrea and Cabinet of Ministers (Soviet Union), and many others. Anything can be an article if it has the potential to be expanded; it doesn't have to be expanded ahead of time. That's what stubs are for and, as you say above, this is actually more than a stub. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department: Please take a number} 16:53, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is true, Kafziel, that my attention was drawn to this page by your mention in the draft namespace discussion. I thought the reason for merging obvious enough that I didn't spell it out, which I should have done. It is of course true that an article can go through several paths of development, and that no one's permission is needed to make a new article. An editor does have to decide whether to create a new article or add a section to an existing one. In this case I think the decision was incorrect, but that is a matter where opinions may honestly differ. I would point out that Cabinet of Ministers (Soviet Union) or Cabinet of the United States each has far more content and a much longer real-world history to cover than this article, better justifying their separate status, in my view. Such a decisions (to merge or to split) is always a judgement call, and topics which are technically notable on their own, may none-the-less do better as sections of a larger topic. I think this one would. DES ^(talk) 20:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging (2014)[edit]

Tagged this as being copy pasted from CIA world fact book. seems to lack any other sources? Could be a viable article for sure, and don't think it should be merged, but needs to be expanded and made proper for Wikipedia. Would the editor who started all this please come back and do the bare minimum of work to keep this article viable please? JDanek007^Talk 18:24, 19 March 2014 (UTC) [reply]

I'll try to update this article with information drawn from Turkmen news media. The state media announce all changes to the membership of the Cabinet, and there have been lots of changes since 2011. Amustard (talk) 20:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Correct nomenclature[edit]

Members of the Turkmen Cabinet of Ministers are referred to as deputy chairpersons (in Russian, zamestitel' predsedatelya), not as "vice presidents". This needs to be corrected throughout this article. The title "prezident" is reserved only for the nation's president. Amustard (talk) 20:43, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]