Talk:British Airways Flight 5390

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Apparent discrepancies with http://www.aviationchief.com/british-airways-flight-5390.html[edit]

I happened to glance at that page, and it's clear the article conflicts with it in at least a few ways. Random examples:

Source says The other two cabin staff instructed the passengers to fasten their seat belts, reassured them and took up their emergency positions.; the article currently says the other two flight attendants ... reassured passengers, and instructed them to adopt brace positions in anticipation of an emergency landing -- not the same.
Source simply points out the difference between a "plug" window and one installed from the exterior, but doesn't call it any kind of design "flaw" or "inadequacy"; the article calls it an inadequacy.

Perhaps some of these discrepancies are due to other sources, but I suspect these are just errors that crept in, and that there are others. E Eng 18:21, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We changed "design flaw" after you spotted it, didn't we? I seem to remember putting in "non-optimal"? Perhaps "inadequacy" is just as bad. I did a Google search for terms like that, but drew a blank. The design has certainly now changed, but I couldn't find anything to directly connect the two. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It was me that changed "sub-optimal design" to "design inadequacy" because it sounded better to me. The point is that in order to avoid plagiarism we are encouraged to put things in our own words (sure I've read that somewhere in citing sources, can't be bothered to go searching for it now) and that inevitably runs the risk of introducing slight changes in semantics, call it Chinese Whispers, but other than reciting the source material verbatim, what are we supposed to do? A certain amount of subjective interpretation has to be expected. Rodney Baggins (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we ought to really only use quotes from the official report, as those words have been very carefully chosen. But there is certainly only a mention of "plug" type, nothing about design inadequacy etc. We'd have to look elsewhere. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Neither sub-optimal design nor design inadequacy nor (as was there before any of us got here) design flaw is supported by the the aviatioinchief source nor by the source cited in the article (p7 of https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5422faa7e5274a131400078d/1-1992_G-BJRT_2_.pdf). It was a design choice, nothing more. I've changed the article to reflect that. E Eng 04:40, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very good change. Even if you used too many nors there. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There wasn't a "design flaw" or "inadequacy", the design is more than sufficiently strong enough to resist internal cabin pressure as long as the proper fixings are used, otherwise the ARB would not have Certificated the One-Eleven design back in the 1960s. The windscreen was designed that way in order to simplify windscreen replacement in case of damage caused by hail, bird strike, normal wear, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.115.25 (talk) 10:19, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bolts[edit]

The difference "between 8/32" and 10/32"", i.e. between 1/4 inch and 5/16 inch, is indeed 1/16 inch, or 0.0625 ins. But to give this dimension in rounded decimals of an inch, and then convert it back to millimetres: 0.063 inches (1.6 mm), seems a bit odd? Why not just use 1/16 inch and convert to mm? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:50, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm out of coffee, so if lives are at stake get a second opinion, but what you're saying seems right. E Eng 15:22, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Will try and amend if I get a window of opportunity. tee-hee. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:34, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You're cracked. E Eng 15:55, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also not sure why we have decimal inches for the lengths. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do not add the images that you will find, these are reenactments[edit]

The images that are widespread are re-enactments and neither are really images of the incident, do not add them to this article. source Lallint⟫⟫⟫Talk 21:05, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About Susan Gibbins[edit]

Should she perhaps be mentioned by name in the "while the other two flight attendants secured loose objects, reassured passengers, and instructed them to adopt brace positions in anticipation of an emergency landing." part somehow? Personally, I found it very jarring that she is first and only mentioned in the award section with no description of what she did during the incident. Potential source: https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-flight-5390-a-cabin-crew-perspective/ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-15/ba5390-pilot-sucked-out-windscreen-the-ultimate-nightmare/101813438 2601:647:4200:6ED:3076:E78D:418E:35ED (talk) 07:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]