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There is a contradiction in this article - he is claimed to have participated in the same battle at both age twelve and thirteen.

As I do not have his biography around, I cannot check.

132.69.234.147 20:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC) Aur Saraf[reply]

Visions?

Why is there no discussion of Black Elk's visions? Would it be too much to ask for the visions to at least be represented here? Even today the visions still raise controversy and i feel the Wiki article should elaborate on them.

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This edit placeed the following material into the article. I have moved it here.

Attempt to get thru to Wikipedia- Anyone with Computer Savvy try and get this message to them. I could not do it. Black Elk Speaks. John Neihardt- University Nebraska Press. 1932. Serious error regarding Black Elk of the famous book, Black Elk Speaks, Univ. Nebraska Press, Author John Neihardt. Wikipedia repeatedly holds that Black Elk was and remained a Catholic and combined the two religions. (Which is impossible as one is Man-based; the other Nature based. The book, Black Elk Flaming Rainbow, by Hilda Neihardt, Univ. Nebraska Press, reveals contrary wise. Hilda is the daughter of John Neihardt. She interviewed Lucy Looks Twice (Daughter of Nicholas Black Elk.) pg. 119, states that just prior to Black Elk death, he called for his peace pipe which symbolized the Lakota Sioux Spirituality/Religion and stated, "This was my way all along." This declaration clearly refutes the constant attempt of Christian missionaries, notably the reservation established Jesuits, to use force and subterfuge to claim Black Elk as a Catholic adherent, especially neglecting his acts and attitude after becoming released from his captivity. Ben Black Elk, son of Nicholas and interpreter between Neihardt and B.E. stated to my mother and I the same declaration as Lucey regarding their father's declaration. The telling of the Vision states in itself that Black Elk was no longer a Catholic in that he and his verifiers never notified the controlling Jesuits the entire winter preceding Neihardt's planned visit to interview. Autumn, Neihardt came to the reservation and plans were made for his return the forthcoming summer. The following revisions of Black Elk Speaks after Neihardt's death are in error regarding the omission of Hilda's information. She also made her interview known to me and her son at her residence in Bancroft. Nebraska and was quite adamant about the omission of such along with other information taken by Raymond DeMallie, author of Sixth Grandfather. The revisions and DeMallies works avoids the Auschwitz, Buchenwald conditions backed up by U. S. Cavalry; Black Elk and the Sioux people faced under the controlling missionaries. Passes and badges were required to visit relatives within the large reservation. Food was scarce. Black Elk's fate would have doomed him to Canton as he was a well-known successful Spiritual Healer. The Jesuits attacked and broke down two of his healing ceremonies. The last one he was physically thrown into a wagon in the black of night by Fr, J. Ledebner, SJ, to be exorcised by one Fr. Joseph Zimmerman,SJ,. He no doubt received the word that he was bound for Canton had he resisted. More than one WWII Jewish person 'converted' under these conditions albeit temporary if they survived WW II incarceration.
A Federal, All Indian Insane Asylum (Canton)was successfully lobbied for by Christian missionaries and which native religious leaders (Holy Men) were incarcerated for life, 121 graves, now at Canton, SD golf course are proof. Missionaries went on to have all Indian Spirituality and ceremony Banned on Sioux reservations such was their allowed control. This unconstitutional, illegal Ban was finally removed by Congress due to Martin Luther King's Civil Rights Movement. A.I. M. as well. My forthcoming Book, Black Elk Speaks IV will elaborate. Publishers, University Presses are too cowardly to print my book which also warns of Climate Change which is omitted by the Revisions of BES. The original of BES clearly points out the forthcoming danger that is happening now. The Blue Man of Corruption. Planetary disaster and greed.
Note: Wikipedia is meant (hopefully) to be Truthful and Preserving Truth. I hope you take your work seriously and get free from the past advocacy wherein Christian White People have to have their history in accordance with how they want it; in particular zero Introspection regarding their proselytizing religion regardless of what damage it has done to the American Indian.

I don't know anything about this article's topic, and am hoping that regular editors of this article can make a judgement about what, if anything, needs to be done here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:29, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hawkwind Recording[edit]

Samples of the John Neihardt recordings were used in the Hawkwind song Black Elk Speaks on the album Space Bandits.[1], but some people think this is not relevant. AMCKen (talk) 07:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]